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Today I would like to share information with you on the editions that will be available for "Windows 8" when it is released to market. We have talked about Windows 8 as Windows reimagined, from the chipset to the user experience. This also applies to the editions available – we have worked to make it easier for customers to know what edition will work best for them when they purchase a new Windows 8 PC or upgrade their existing PC.
Windows 8 has the flexibility you need - whether you’re on an x86/64 or a WOA PC. You can use a touch screen or a keyboard and mouse – and switch anytime. It’s beautiful, fast, and fluid design is perfect for a wide range of hardware. And you’ll love browsing through the Windows Store and downloading all the apps you want. And those apps can work together too so you can share photos, maps, contacts, links and whatever else you want faster and easier. All editions of Windows 8 offer a no-compromise experience.
First, Windows 8 is the official product name for the next x86/64 editions of Windows.
For PCs and tablets powered by x86 processors (both 32 and 64 bit), we will have two editions: Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro. For many consumers, Windows 8 will be the right choice. It will include all the features above plus an updated Windows Explorer, Task Manager, better multi-monitor support and the ability to switch languages on the fly (more details on this feature can be found in this blog post),which was previously only available in Enterprise/Ultimate editions of Windows. For China and a small set of select emerging markets, we will offer a local language-only edition of Windows 8.
Windows 8 Pro is designed to help tech enthusiasts and business/technical professionals obtain a broader set of Windows 8 technologies. It includes all the features in Windows 8 plus features for encryption, virtualization, PC management and domain connectivity. Windows Media Center will be available as an economical “media pack” add-on to Windows 8 Pro. If you are an enthusiast or you want to use your PC in a business environment, you will want Windows 8 Pro.
Windows RT is the newest member of the Windows family – also known as Windows on ARM or WOA, as we’ve referred to it previously. This single edition will only be available pre-installed on PCs and tablets powered by ARM processors and will help enable new thin and lightweight form factors with impressive battery life. Windows RT will include touch-optimized desktop versions of the new Microsoft Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote. For new apps, the focus for Windows RT is development on the new Windows runtime, or WinRT, which we unveiled in September and forms the foundation of a new generation of cloud-enabled, touch-enabled, web-connected apps of all kinds. For more details on WOA, we suggest reading this blog post which shares more detail on how we have been building Windows 8 to run on the ARM architecture.
The below chart breaks down key features by edition (this list should not be considered an exhaustive list of features):
Windows 8 Pro
Upgrades from Windows 7 Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium
Upgrades from Windows 7 Professional, Ultimate
Start screen, Semantic Zoom, Live Tiles
Apps (Mail, Calendar, People, Messaging, Photos, SkyDrive, Reader, Music, Video)
Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote)
Internet Explorer 10
Installation of x86/64 and desktop software
Updated Windows Explorer
Enhanced Task Manager
Switch languages on the fly (Language Packs)
Better multiple monitor support
Windows Media Player
ISO / VHD mount
Mobile broadband features
Remote Desktop (client)
Reset and refresh your PC
Touch and Thumb keyboard
BitLocker and BitLocker To Go
Boot from VHD
Encrypting File System
Remote Desktop (host)
In the coming months, we plan to share much more information about Windows 8, including details on pricing and limited-time programs and promotions that we will make available to customers. Today, you can check out a preview of Windows 8 for yourself (if you haven’t already done so!).
NOTE: As with previous versions of Windows, we will also have an edition of Windows 8 specifically for those enterprise customers with Software Assurance agreements. Windows 8 Enterprise includes all the features of Windows 8 Pro plus features for IT organization that enable PC management and deployment, advanced security, virtualization, new mobility scenarios, and much more.
I wish you had advertised the fact that Windows 8 would not support DVD play-back BEFORE I bought it..!!!! I will NOT purchase the Windows Media Center upgrade even if I have to do without a DVD player...I will somehow figure out how to go back to Windows 7. My DVD player worked fine then..! I will make sure that ALL my Facebook friends and family know about this so they won't get STUCK purchasing a product that does not work....!
Windows 8 is very good now
windows 8 is a great experience with many enhancements and improvements.
This post is misleading. "Windows 8 Enterprise includes all the features of Windows 8 Pro" seems to be false.
I installed Windows 8 Enterprise (replacing Windows 7 Enterprise) and was unable to install Media Center.
It seem that Media Center is only available for Windows 8 PRO not for Windows 8 Enterprise!
This makes it unattractive for me to move from Windows 7 to Windows 8.
Dumb name for sure.........why not at least - WinTab?
@lb0123, that is why there are two versions that is available for you, Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro. you have to select the version that is right for you. Media center was not available in all of it previous releases as well. The way I see it getting Windows 8 Pro for 39.99 is better than any other promotion that MS held for it's releases in the past. If you decide to let this pass you by and you wait till the promotion is over you will be paying much more. Also during the promotion the Media Center would be free if you get Windows Pro. It is MS right and choice to which version gets benefits. Also on site like Newegg you can get the pro for 69.99 and also a full version of Pro for $139.99 if you do not want to participate in the MS promotion. The deals on sites other than MS expire after Jan as well and then it goes up.
I do not see the "Winows 8 RT " nomerclature as ugly, just confusing. Now people that are computer literate may know what computer or tablet it would be perfect for. Howev er, those that are not tempered in computing may get confused. As long as MS indicates on the box and online, not in small print and where one could see it and tell them what this version is used for it should be okay. I think it will work itself out.
Having read most of the comments, I had to sign up for a small contribution.
* I really do not understand the fuzz about the name. Believe me when I say that the average user (consumer) will not confuse WinRT with Windows RT, simply because they don't know WinRT exists.
* I did not realize that a lot of techies would rather like to stay in their own comfort zone, with a start button, than look forward to innovations. If you want an OS that does'n't change, why not switch to Apple? Oh no, forgot... There is no start menu button in OS-something as well. Foolish me.
* The functionality of the start button is still present. Just right-click in the corner it used to be and see what happens.
* Why should an OS written for ARM technology have full functionality? If full functionality is required, get a tablet with Pro in its name. I suppose those who fuzz about this refuse their salary as well, since they seem very unwilling to pay for someone else's work.
*Get real: the sun may rise for free, and Apple's updates are cheap because they do not need to take third parties into consideration (not even customers), which makes programming a lot easier. Windows is just totally different and has a different approach. That is the power of a free market. Either embrace it or crawl back into your cave.
* ARM based tablets are nice consumer tablets. I think Microsoft got it right to have something for the ordinairy user as well. People who get sick and tired of iOS and Android get a nice alternative.
* Windows RT is created for ARM devices, not the other way around. If you want to troll about the 'lack' of functionality, troll at the chipset maker for not designing an energysaving chipset for tablets but with the power for a supercomputer.
I really like Windows 8 on my laptop (release preview). I even want to get rid of my startscreen, which is not possible for the programs I run. I like my Windows Phone, it runs very smooth. I work as a consumer with WinXP (sloooooooow), but at work so waiting time is paid), iOS (makes my skin crawl) and Android (nice, but not too stable and highly conceptive for all kind of crap). I think that makes it legitimate for me to say that imo, Windows 8 can be a srious candidate on both mobile devices andother. It just takes an open mind... of you.
Btw: I have no connections with Microsoft whatsoever, I do not gain any profit except improved user experiencevwith Winows 8.
"Windows Media Center will be available as an economical “media pack” add-on to Windows 8 Pro."
What? I am very much dismayed by this. Is Microsoft really not able to include it in the box, like it does with Windows XP/Vista/7? This is bordering on indecency.
Also, I notice the regular Windows 8 doesn't include Windows Media Center, so if I upgrade from Windows 7 Home Premium (which includes Media Center) to Windows 8, I no longer get Media Center. Is that correct?
Finally, I do have to say it's confusing to have to use "Windows 8" to refer both to the OS in general and to a specific edition.
Windows 8 doesnt support punk buster games please fix
I can't believe I'm posting but it's just overwhelmingly obvious from my perspective as a consumer, reseller, developer, designer and the same for every post I read that there needs to be a huge change in the type of upgrade policy because this is going to eliminate so much business from your loyal resellers and no one I spoke with has any desire for purchasing win8 to begin with. If they heard what I had to tell them I'm going to lose any business I developed. What the heck is going on please? I swear get me the team who decided this so I can write them and let them know how the product as stands is going to fail without doubt and how you are going to lose the people to do the work and make money like me by using microsoft products as a way to survive with job. Someone please provide who i can write because I'm about to have a field day.
Can Windows 8 or Windows 8 Pro have drive encryption?
And by the way, how much will Windows 8 and Pro cost when released?
LOL at Media Center comments! - The Media Pack is standard with Win 8 and stripped from Pro, available as an add on.
So I was using a preview release and I go into the preferences setup screen and it would not let me get our of it. What is up with that? It was a screen filling up the entire monitor with no escape. Tried severy things. Eventually had to go to Ctrl-Alt-Del???
How come you cant log into this blog with facebook?
So far I find Win 8 to be rather less than stellar. The user interface is just plain crappy. It is a throwback to DOS. Who wants to jump back and forth through menus to find what you want? This sucks. If I wanted to go back to Win 3.1 I would go back in time. The start menu works, just stick it back in the build for people that prefer to use it. This just sucks. Yes I did download it and I do not like it. Maybe I will change my mind. This might be nice for tablet owners, but what about the rest of us who like their keyboard or want to watch TV on a computer or HTPC?
Signed Confused . . .
I live in Philippines, and wish to purchase win8 Pro when its available, but apparently its only available from Win.Com? will I still be able to take part in the initial special offer???
Hi, I just wanted to clear some things up. The reason that Office is listed as a feature is because it comes installed with Windows RT. This is due to the fact that Windows RT is going to be preinstalled on many devices and it is easier for the OEMs to support office compatibility and it will allow Microsoft to standardize the Microsoft Office Suite. Also, having office x86 and office ARM would confuse many users. This will mean that people who have a mobile device with Windows RT and use office will be 'forced' to purchase Office for their Windows desktops. I put forced in quotes though because it will still be possible to use free office suites, but most users will still chose Microsoft office.
As a lot of people are having difficulty with the name "Windows RT", why not call it "Windows 8 Armadillo" (as in Windows 8 ARMadillo)?
iOS, Android are short & memorable, right?
How about MetrOS. short & memorable.
I realy like this version of Windows 8, however, I've been having issue finding my wireless networks. I have downloaded the drivers, etc.. and all I can see is the Bluetooth and I can't find my access point. I have to connect directly to the newtwork card wired. I was hoping that someone can help me out.
I'll be waiting for our new os WINDOWS 8!!
If I buy Windows 8 and then use Anytime Upgrade to upgrade to Windows 8 Pro will I still have to purchase the Media Pack in order to have the Media Center available in Pro?
I salute you for streamlining the editions back to "Home" and Pro. I am relieved to hear that my Windows 7 Ultimate will upgrade-in-place to Windows 8 Pro. Congratulations on these very common-sense decisions.
To be Honest... i dont see a big problem with Windows RT... To me its just the name of an operating system, with different features... Its pretty much the same OS as Windows 8, but with different Features... Cant wait for Prices!! Windows 8 Tablets will be my Central Hub for all my information that ill need. Smartglass will be integrated for free on all of those right?
You should've included the "Group Policy" feature in Windows 8, not only in "Windows 8 Pro"! I am contented with Windows 8 that has no BitLocker, Remote Desktop(host) and many more advanced features, but why remove Group Policy??? I often use it in lower versions of Windows 7 (like now). I don't use the other advanced features. Please include Group Policy in all versions! -_-
I can't believe another version of windows Embedded (now WOA or WinRT) that does not include RDP Host in the OS. I don't want to have to run another piece of hardware (i.e. Windows Server with Hyper-V). So many people want this. I would love the ability to sit at my Windows 8 PC and access and control my Windows 8 Arm Tablet (Media, Files, ect.ect). This would be a huge benefit to add. Come on Microsoft, WE WANT CONNECTABLE WINDOWS 8 DEVICES! I have been through Windows Embedded 5, 6 and now Window Embedded Compact 7. This would be a huge benefit for Microsoft if it could happen.
Salute the WINDOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tried upgrading from Win7 Home Premium and Win 7Ultimate to Win8 Enterprise Release Preview but the upgrade failed due to incompatibility. Based on the article, "Windows 8 Enterprise includes all the features of Windows 8 Pro plus features for IT organization that enable PC management and deployment, advanced security, virtualization, new mobility scenarios, and much more. " so I assumed the result should be the same with the Win8 Pro column above.
Is my assumption right or if not, will you create another column for Enterprise in the table above?
The Windows 8 concept maybe fine for those who are happy to just select predefined options, but reading this blog...it's a mess! Now, it requires more inputs to achieve anything, many things are hidden by the moronic Metro interface as Microsoft adopt the Apple approach and close the user interface down to a set of predefined options.
Where's the upgrade path from the Win8 beta to this latest Preview version and more importantly, to the Retail version when it becomes available? Have I really got to run a totally clean install?
It's an inappropriate step to replace the intuitive and efficient Start Menu Desktop system on a PC with the awkward/blocky Metro Interface, which requires more manipulation and searching than was previously required.
My comments are based upon some months of using the Consumer Evaluation Version but, thanks to third party efforts, I've been able to reinstate the Win 7 Desktop!
Windows 8 never reconized my video card nor could I change from the "Standard" video. This product really looks cheap at 640 x 420 on a 24 inch HD monitor. Everything that was opened stayed in memory even after closing. You have go through a special ctrl+key to exit or shutdown, it was not readily available that I could find. To do some things that were available from the Destop go thru the Ctrl+Keys (Do not use Ctrl+L this locks the Windows system). www.tran33m.com/index.php
honestly I think Windows has come a very long way since they have started with Windows 98. so to be able to make something more simple I think is kewl. personally to me I like it. my netbook on the other hand cant handle it to well. the screen res. is not to standard to run apps on the start menu. but hey I can still do everything that I used to be able to do and that is all that matters.
I have a few things to say...
Bill Gates needs to come out of retirement and start working for Microsoft again.
Windows XP is STILL the best OS I have seen come out of Microsoft,
and as much as tablets are the new thing I love having my big bulky desktop, I have no use for a tiny tablet and probably never will. I honestly feel that Microsoft is stepping in the wrong direction, they should be focusing on improving and making desktop computers look like the fad instead of these tablets. Let Apple deal with the tablets and we should keep Microsoft with the desktops. I feel like Microsoft is trying to turn my desktop into a limited, crappy tablet.. I'm sticking with Windows 7.
I installed win 8 on my computer last night. I notice that when using firefox, chrome that I have lost the ability to enter numbers or character on the top row of keys on my keyboard. It is working here in IE. Is this some sort of block on other browsers? Very frustrating. I can't sign into sites using passwords because I have no numbers and I can't even enter the @ sign.
I think it's kind of stupid that Microsoft is both A. Making Windows Media Center available only for Windows 8 Pro and B. Making people pay extra when it has been available free since Vista. It just doesn't make sense!
In windows8 enterprise the "new mobility scenarios' don't include using Windows RT in domain joined corporate environment? So not the newest hottest thing in mobility, just some other lame stuff.
Will it support Enterprise secure Wi-Fi (Windows7 phone doesn't). I'll assume not, that gives you a higher chance of meeting my expectations (i expected to be disappointed).
Ever heard of Windows Live ID? I expected to use that to log onto to a Microsoft blog site. Microsoft really don't like their own stuff working with their own stuff do they? Like Windows 7 phone not working with corporate infrastructure that is ALL Microsoft based, or the new incredibly badly named Windows RT not being domain joined. Just don't want corporate customers any more? Or just showing off the contempt Microsoft has for its customers.
This corporate customer won't be upgrading to Windows8 in any great hurry that is for sure. Start giving us want we want and need. Start listening to your customers.
I'm sorry but windows 8 does work on my laptop. you need to use a different monitor. you need a driver for it to work propley
Windows RT? It's like you want it to fail. Seriously, what is wrong with you people?
Windows 8 Developers You need to make the Desktop mode in Win 8 compatiable to Win 7. Those of us that still use desktop machines or laptops as our desktop need to be able to use all the functions as we have in Win 7. We need a start button to enable our office programs. If you are going to have Office work in the tablet part of WIn8 you need to add an app in there. Need to spend some time on how to make app windows also for your older programs. I can' not recommend Windows 8 at this time and removed it after frustration using it for a day.
Make sure before you load consumer Win 8 to make an image of your current system otherwise you will be reloading your Win 7 operating system from scratch. I attempted to use Win 8 for a day and now I have a fresh Win 7 system back on my desktop I don't recomment Windows 8
I loaded the Consumer Preview for Windows 8 and it is not good. The Desktop mode doesn't work as the Win 7 version . There is no start button, so if you don't have an icon on the desktop you can't use it. Unless you get download that will put the start button back on your system. Not all Win 7 programs will run in the Desktop mode. Swath doesn't work in Win 8. The Win 8 installation doesn't provide apps for Office, so you can't get to your office programs unless you have an icon on the desktop. It requires you to sign in to Windows Live Messenger and uses that as your password to log into the system. Where is the option to have your own log in. I would rate this operating system as good as Windows ME which is very bad.
please microsoft don't ship a product without XP Mode built-in! I also need a 64-bit OS which has command.com. I need this as a developer. come compilers like DJGPP and some others will not work without command.com. in fact, some older apps won't run without this, and currently it's only avaiolable in 32-bit versions of windows. I would like to see it in 64-bit. and I would like to see xp mode come back, there are a lot of apps that run on xp systems out there which have not and will not be upgraded because the project has been stale or dropped, but the download is still there.
To: Microsoft Windows 8/RT Development Team
Please have a read of the thread I have started on Microsoft Answers:
Can you please explain to me why Windows 8 RT will be lacking key features in comparison to Windows 8 and Windows 8 Professional?
Refer to this link:
I have looked at press releases of the new features and I am not impressed as there is no corporate/advanced edition of the future Windows RT bieng planned by the look of it.
For example from what I can see:
- There is no Windows Media Player in sight.
- There are no abilities to connect to corporate network domains
- The Remote Desktop Feature (hosting) is not available.
- From the feature list it looks like these devices advanced settings are locked down (security policies, advanced file sharing etc) homegroups
and simple file sharing in the corporate environment is a security risk.
- Will there be a integrated firewall on this future RT edition?
Why aren't these important features bieng included on the ARM edition? Why isn't there going to be a Windows RT Pro Edition to connect to a corporate network?
Im just gunna save up and buy pro!
Windows 8 is not bad its just the main start i dont like so i just removed it and made it like Windows 7!
After using Windows 8 for months, I have some suggestions: MS has to continue to develop it further out of its now on disastrous cocoon. Anyway, existing W8 development is only cool for touch screen monitor targeting iPod, iPad, iPhone, Smart Phone,... Major public will run away from this OS, because it causes as mess when navigating, browsing, and executing applications. The consumers have to play hide and seek with new programming concept that put a new mess into their lives. For sure Windows8 will lost a lot of elderly customers whose use to compute with XP then now Windows7, are day by day become more acceptable to them. But with Windows 8 they will give up. People wants something that is friendly to work with, easy to control, so creative only came after they get familiar with the OS.
In fact, there is a way to save W8 while it's still in the development process. My solution is: just integrate a more sophisticated W7 inside W8 so that people still can create with W8 parallel they can work with W7 without interruption.
Would you guys not consider selling WOA copies? I have an android tablet and would prefer to have win 8 on it..
I think, Windows RT is a very good & perfect name.
Well I work on and with computers for a living and I have to say Microsoft your glory days are gone. All of my clients want XP back. Most of everyone I know is switching to Macs. Of course I'm in one geographic spot in the country so maybe you are having better luck elseware. When Vista came out many businesses stayed with what they had and I know of some that switched to Windows 2000. The only reason Microsoft got rid of Vista was because the business world wasn't buying into it. Microsoft seems to be betting on consumers believing they don't have a choice. I get more disappointed in Microsoft every time your company comes out with a new OS. Obviously you are acknowledging there is something wrong with your current OS or why else "fix" it? Win7 and Win8 look like Mac OS in design. Microsoft keeps getting closer and closer to the feel of Macs. Is there something you want to tell us Microsoft? Generally PCs have been for people who want to manage and control their computer. Macs are nice but I personally don't prefer them since the Mac OS likes to do everything for the user. I'm an IT professional I like controlling my computer. I also know many successful business minded individuals who prefer Macs to PCs.
And of course all that bunk about Macs being virus and hacker free are nonsense.
My little brother and a friend of his bought Mac books before I paid a visit to their college apartment. They talked like they were impervious to any type of malware. The Apple sales people did a good job in indoctrinating them. So with my XP notebook I accessed my brother's friend's computer and copied a picture off of his Mac and put it on my brother's Mac and deleted it off the friend's Mac. I then asked my brother's friend to show me his picture again. He was a little freaked out when he couldn't find it. I then asked my brother to look in a certain place on his Mac. There was his friends picture. I explained what I did and explained if they had at least a virus scanner and a firewall they would greatly increase there protection when going online.
Back on topic, Microsoft you had an OS consumers were happy with, from what I saw, and then you decided to break it and tried to force the "new and improved" OS down consumer's throats. Dell made a killing in sales after Vista came out because they advertised all their computers would ship with XP. Then Microsoft banned selling XP and said it will no longer support it. In China that might work but not in the USA. Hence Vista was a failure and Mac sales went up and Linux OS variants increased and more were downloaded.
I don't know why Microsoft wants to make their OS have a Mac feel to it. PC users switched to Mac because they can choose to go with what they want and making Windows OS have a Mac feel to it won't bring them back. It will antagonize the rest of us. When you force people in one direction you loose customers. Intel tried the same thing several years back. Their newest processor had a problem and intel said it was only off by one in a (huge number) of calculations. Their press release about the problem tried to downplay the problem. They though they could get away with it because they assumed they were the big shot in town and no one could afford to not buy their processors. Several months after that initial press release intel came out with another one saying they would fix the problem and come out with a new chip and they were dedicated to serving their customers. This was back in the day when computer processor terms included 80 86, 80 286, 80 386, and 80 486 and GHz was considered science fiction. What happened? Many businesses completely halted their purchase of computers with intel chips. No one wanted to buy a processor that would make mistakes even if it occurred one in a (ridiculously huge number) of computations. Despite what intel delusionally beleived they weren't the only processor manufacturer on the planet. Many small processor manufacturers that most people have never heard of even today had record sales during that time. AMD and Intel still aren't the only ones making processors.
Microsoft your board of directors, or rather, board of dictators, do understand that those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it, don't they? If not time will teach your corporation the same lessons you failed to learn from the experience of others.
Win XP works. I don't see myself staying with Microsoft past Win7. Meaning if a computer I have has Win7 on it and it dies then I'll move on to something else. I can get work fixing a Mac or a Windows or a Linux computer or handling a business that runs those systems just fine weather I have a windows pc or not.
Windows Elite will be a good name. Anyway, according to the consumer preview, this is very advanced for normal users. (Seems extremely fit with touch screen devices) .So I think if you can add two modes which can initially setup in installation, something like basic mode and advanced mode will be give great value for this version. Ex: In basic mode windows will appear as normal. I mean it will looks like windows 7 options. Like, it includes start menu+normal desktop. But shape of icons and windows appearance are OK. Overall, this is very speed and beautiful. But the missed All Programs menu and the start menu with start button is very bad for window new baby of windows 8. In advanced mode installation can install and use current windows 8 options ( Like as consumer preview),Then only every one can use windows 8. Basically those are the drawback which I experienced till now. Thank you and wish you all the best.
I will stick with my W7 dinosaur until I buy a Mac or other, no more "Windows" for me. I downloaded the Windows 8 Consumer Preview had it on my computer for maybe 30 mins. and after not liking the navigation of everything decided it was not for me. Reminded me of when I bought Vista thinking this might be cool (before reading the forums) and that also lasted a short time before XP was re-installed. I am happy with 7 and 7 I will stay until a Mac or other comes my way.As far as using 8 for tablets phones or what have you yeah might be great but trying to turn a desktop pc into a facsimile of a modern cell phone does make me think that MS is really starting to go down hill. If this really is the logo dl.dropbox.com/.../Win8LogoIdea.png I am glad i am not on that bus.
I like the new UI. Using the same UI on multiple platforms makes a lot of sense.
Well Microsoft Should At least Leave The Windows 7 Start Menu as a classic in windows 8 so far windows 8 is looking good . at least They Done like they did with windows XP and Made Windows XP Home edition and windows Xp Professional , They Made Windows 8 which Is Windows 8 Home Edition And Windows 8 Professional
Also in Greek :
;) Go Microsoft!!!!
I understand the need for the for the touch screen advancements and improvements for the younger generation and even those under 50 but what about those that are diehard keyboardists. where getting them to mouse properly was a task. the new explorer takes away there visual cues. hell I even had a time figuring how to close out an app and not just switch to another. I'm the IT guy for my extended family. and I am dreading showing My grandparents this operating system. they now love new tech. but getting them to learn mouse gestures (cuz they dont NEED a touch screen there old ones will work...flat panels) is like teaching them how to drive a car without a steering wheel. i personally love most of what youve accomplished but taking out visual cues such as close button for apps seems a bit over done for an operating system you claim is transitional. i understand they background themselves when not closed out but that seems a waste of resources for those who dont know alt+f4 and right-clicking and closing.
Windows Media Center is software for an HTPC. HTPCs are typically dedicated machines, put in the living room. Therefore they should be small, low-power, quiet. ARM is therefore the more appropriate architecture than Intel.
Therefore Windows RT is the more appropriate version for Windows Media Center.
Windows 8 standard is also appropriate, to take care of the existing community, who build their own HTPCs.
Windows 9 Pro is the least suited to Media Center, since Media Center has no place in a professional environment.
Regardless, Media Center should be available in all editions, software for only one version of windows makes no sense.
I'm very excited, really want to try Windows 8 Enterprise for office and especially RT for home
Здравствуйте! Прочитала мнения многих людей, о названии Windows RT.Новые возможости Windows 8 - замечательные. Особенно то, что касается легкого прикосновения, чтобы начать работать в системе.На мой взгляд, я дала бы название Windows 8 Super. Потому, как это совершенно новое и достойное совершенствование в разработке как и ОС , так и самого технического оборудования под эту ОС.Спасибо большое всем разработчикам. которые участвовали в создании этого замечательного объемного и мощного проекта.
please be informed that...
we still need Windows XP Professional inside a WINDOWS'
...so is there any Windows XP Mode inside your latest Windows?
and if Windows 8 is finally available in the market'
we hope that a Downgrade Rights to Window XP Professional is still available in the Microsoft Volume Licensing Service Center...
so far Windows XP Professional is the best Windows Operating System in the Means of Simplicity.
Really Excited about this bcz
only 3 versions instead of 6 version
is there going to be a way to disable "metro" / "The new start screen" and revert to the classic start button? I find this design horrible. If I wanted to use apps or have an app screen, I would buy a tablet.
Yes, I would be interested to hear the difference between device encryption and "Encrypting File System" as well - especially because a lot of corporate Exchange environments (including our own) insist on having "on-device encryption" in order to use ActiveSync with any mobile devices. This is particularly annoying with Windows 8. I am running the CP version on two different tablets and neither of them have a TPM module. In order to use the Mail and Calendar App, I have to use Bitlocker encryption on all the drives in order to pass the "encryption test" in Exchange.
Because there is no TPM, we have to set it up in Group Policy to allow a password or a USB encryption key and one of these must be present at boot-up to access the encrypted hard disk. If it's a password, there must be a *keyboard* for the tablet, because the touch interface isn't yet active in that point of the boot process. Maybe it won't be as much of a hassle if the Windows Tablet has TPM, but it's going to be a huge hassle for Windows 8 or Windows 8 Pro tablets - one which iPads and Android-based devices don't have.
Not sure if this is exactly the place for this, but since we are talking about Windows 8 names and features, I figured I'd start here.
Having taken a look at Windows 8, I can tell you that for me, I will not be upgrading. There are many reasons for this - I'll cover a few of them here:
For starters, there is the home screen labeled 'start', and no start button. Why?
Next, implied but not explicitly mentioned in Mr. Harris' consumer preview video is that you'll need a Hotmail account (or SOME sort of Microsoft account) so that you can stay connected all the time and everywhere. What if I'd like to sign into the PC and not the internet? What if I dont necessarily have access to the internet? Sorry, no thanks.
Next - the cloud. I am not a cloud user or fan. I understand others are. Fair enough, but the preview leaves the impression that using a cloud of some sort for data storage is either required or soon will be to do something as simple as emailing a picture to family. I prefer my data to be local, thank you. Further, the lack of features in WindowsRT suggests that Microsoft is trying to push consumers to use a cloud (be that skydrive or whatever). In a word - no.
Next - social networking. I dont use Twitter, Linkedin, Facebook or other social networking services. They do nothing for me. Me, I'd like the ability to uninstall/delete these services (read: NOT just turn them off, but remove them)
Next - apps. I don't necessarily want apps that start all on their own. I have an Android tablet that does that and it drives me nuts. Further, I also dont want to be nickle and dimed to get this feature or that feature via the store. Sorry, no thank you.
Next - UI. Many people like it. I dont care for it. To me, it might be fine on a tablet, but it really isnt what I want on my desktop. It doesnt do anything for me, and 'feels' (my perception) like a hack of Android. Again, what is wrong with the start menu?
Next - picture sign in. Again, why? Whats wrong with a user account and a password? I know there are likely users out there that think this is a nice feature - me, I'd just like to log on to my PC, thanks.
Next - editions. Microsoft still hasnt figured out that its users dont necessarily want 3 or 5 editions of an OS. Give us ONE edition, with features we can install and uninstall.
There just isnt anything there that I personally need.
WHY ARE THERE STILL "Editions”!!!!???? Just call it Windows, charge $99 and be done with it! For the love of Pete, Microsoft! Anything mobile, just call it Windows Mobile!!! Duh. Stop over complicating stuff! Nobody really cares what the name is as long as it is simple or is logical! (And works). Windows RT? WTFIT? "Dude, check out my new Windows RT tablet!" "Your what?"
Media Center is what differentiates Microsoft from Apple. One sentence in the entire post, and no previews of Media Center really concern me. Please pay attention to this. It seems like everyone is focusing on pay per view content. I want an easy way to store, play and enjoy content I've already paid for.
Only in Media Center can you use CableCard technology to record TV for later playback with virtualy unlimitted storage. This is the primary use of one of my PCs. Media Center can use a serious update, because we are working off a 10 year old interface. I don't want IPTV, I need my local college sports. It's not all about primetime TV.
I want to play all the music I own, and I'd like to have a feature rich and quick way to browse it similar to Zune Software. Media Center is not good option for music.
I want to digitally archive and play all of the DVDs I own, and I want an elegant interface that allows me to read all about the movies. Currently I use MyMovies with Meda Center. It's good, but again, a major interface upgrade is needed.
Make it easy to add metadat to everything. Zune does a great job with Music. I have to use third party software for Movies, and you could do so much more with TV.
Allow me to play home videos too, simle enough.
Lastly, I'd lke a codec that plays nice with all Microsoft hardware (Xbox, WP7, Windows 8, Media Center, Media Center Extender). You need to make it easy for me to get my movies in a format I can use with every device. It's a bit painful right now.
I paid for all this content, I'll pay a lot to play it easily, but I'm not going to pay extra if major enhancements aren't made to the product. It works adequately with Windows 7. Windows 8 should strive for more than adequate. I'm a Microsoft fanboy if there was one, but it's only because I have the patience to figure out how to get all this stuff to work. If Microsoft could make this easier, then millions of people could understand the beauty of having all of this media accessible through one device or multiple devices from the same company.
I wil pay, but you have to make it compelling. All the peices are there, just put them together, and don't confuse people that aren't as patient as I am.
Well, this is a thought for windows RT, it doesn't sound great, a bit more imagination in naming would have been good. But as for managability, I'm thinking that with the use of Exchange 2010 and SC 2012 suite, they will be able to connect to the private cloud in a business network. Windows 8 supports logins using Hotmail/windows live accounts to be part of the windows live public cloud, and since hotmail's internals are based on activesync, my guess is that, we'll be able to login to the company(corporate) account using an exchange/domain login, and should have access to an internal/private storage space similar to skydrive.
Just my thoughts.
Windows 8 has some great features, being a gamer who pays for Everquest 2, I wiped the hard drive and went back to windows xp, I have a 2 gig vidieo card and EQ2 just wont work on windows 8.
Still no mention of a Bluetooth compatibility application.
I hope that Windows 8 will be cheaper. I'm tired of Apple fans holding their $30 OS upgrade over our $120 OS upgrade. That and their $70 USB thumb drive for their OS and our $200 DVD for our OS.
Since you guys are going to make us pay for an upgrade to the Pro Version of Windows 8 AND purchase a media pack add-on if we want to upgrade to Windows 8 Media Center, what level of support should we then expect? Currently, there are 2 issues that MS knows about, and has known for MONTHS, and they are still UNRESOLVED.
1) At least 3 - 4 times in the last 6 months our guides have not updated, and we are left with 4 days of data in our guides when we normally have 11 - 14. Every time MS "fixes" it, it reoccurs. connect.microsoft.com/.../tv-guide-listings-only-update-to-april-30
2) The Guide does not display cover art for movies from 2010 and newer. This has been a ticket for 8 months on connect.
I was in the camp, "I will pay" camp for Windows 8 Media Center, but this level of support is making me question that. It appears that whomever is left doesn't understand how Media Center works.
i really don't care about windows name.
i just care of 3 things.
1. missing start menu button: start menu button is like windows trademark thing. i really hate metro style single color design no visual effect look like its only for low level user but whats windows 8 gonna give for power user? having a quad core and 6gb ram running windows 8 seem kinda low level os for me. they should give optional setting to bring start button
2. Hotmail id necessary to access most option of windows 8 is really bad . they will lose the many user because of this feature... internet is everywhere but they are many user who only uses internet timely.
3.they really should give some visual enchantments for power user only single color logon screen is kinda boring. even now windows 7 logon screen much cooler than windows 8 logon screen.
I have to agree with a lot of people here... Windows RT is a really confusing name because all three versions are built on top of WinRT, are they not? It's like saying that the ARM version is the one that makes the best use of it or is optimized for it? A very poor naming choice for this one...
On the bright side, it's nice to finally have a simple choice on the x86/x64 side of things.
C'mon, people. WindowsRT stands for "run time." The helpful link is the "blog post" one right above the table.. It'll actually be called WOA = Windows on ARM and will be in keeping with Windows Phone, Windows Server, etc. It looks to me like they're taking out a ton of the intricacies of Windows (x86/64) for the home to clean up the code. I think there's something beyond 7000 group policy settings--getting those out will give home users a better experience. Pro will obviously still need that and the other IT business oriented tools to keep it viable as a business client. From what I can see so far, it looks like a solid new OS that will come with much less baggage and be easier to develop for, keep its manageability where needed, and run much faster than anything out there right now.
Come on Microsoft first the "Vista" name now the RT You guys really don't want to win do you? Apple has already blown you away tablets/phone/ and yes enterprise your years behind in tablets and mobility ditch the RT and the crappy names that turns folks off.
OK! My suspisions have been confirmed. This new OS "Windows 8" to me is "Windows 7" with a couple of addons and a new look interface to make more use of the touchscreen capabilities. I was actually expecting "Windows 8" to be a hole new OS rebuilt and remodelled from the ground up. Why is there no Windows Media Centre built in to it. I can't understand why they have taken it out and may make it a seperate addon that they will probably retail seperately (What a money spinning idea that is!) I use the media centre all the time. As for the name "Windows 8", for what it is I think it should be named "Windows 7+" and like "ME" was to "Windows 98" I also think it should be sold as an upgrade only for around $50. As for the 2 major desktop versions "Home" & "Pro" I don't see the point there either. Why not just have one version then the user can decide if they want to have the extra features turned on or off. I don't think I will be going for "Windows 8" it lacks too much for my liking. I think Microsoft might have made a mistake with this version. We will have to wait & see how the public view it after it's release. On the upside though the tablet version looks ok, but is it good enough to rival "Android" tablets & the "iPad", Let battle commence!
With the greatest of respect, why does Microsoft INSIST on having a "Pro" version and a "vanilla" version? Why cant you just have "Windows 8" and be done with it? Why do you have to have two separate versions? Yes, there are features that some folks wont use, but you'd have that with any OS - if it means that much, come up with some sort of installer that allows features to be added - but just call it Windows 8. Why do you have to have this gulf of differences between 8 and Pro? Sorry, IMO, its just stupid.
And Windows RT? Really? This is your answer to Android and iOS? Not only is the name just ...stupid is the only polite adjective I can come up with...but If that features list (or lack thereof) is any semblance of reality, this edition will be relegated to the forgotten 10 minutes after its officially launched.
Windows RT sounds wrong... I would have called it Windows Touch Edition. Makes more sense.
Windows 8 never reconized my video card nor could I change from the "Standard" video. This product really looks cheap at 640 x 420 on a 24 inch HD monitor. Everything that was opened stayed in memory even after closing. You have go through a special ctrl+key to exit or shutdown, it was not readily available that I could find. To do some things that were available from the Destop go thru the Ctrl+Keys (Do not use Ctrl+L this locks the Windows system).
None of the pre-release versions will be upgradeable to the Final version of Windows 8.
For those of you who cannot accept the Win RT name, perhaps the following article will make it clear.
MSDN Blogs: Building Windows for the ARM processor architecture
Like everyone else who uses ARM based processors, Microsoft must purchase a license from ARM Holdings for using that technology.
You must also consider the fact that the acronym 'ARM' is copyrighted, when describing the Advanced RISC Machine architecture. It cannot be used as a name that applies to anything that uses the ARM technology unless a separate license for that usage is purchased.
can I update windows 8 consumer preview to windows 8 or pro .
What is the W7 Home Premium to W8 upgrade path? Due to "Media Center" being an "add-on pack" to the "Pro" edition of Windows 8, what would happen if someone upgrades from Windows 7 Home Premium to Windows 8 'standard'. Would the Media Center application and all its dependency's cease to exist? Would a user have to upgrade to pro and buy the "Add on pack" just go get the same application that was bundled with windows 7?
Will Windows 8 (not Pro) allow people with WHS 2011 to connect to it remotely via Remote Desktop? According to the breakdown above, RD (host) will only be available in Pro... Does that mean I can connect to a Win8 machine regardless of version, but I must have Win8 in order to initiate a RD session?
It still baffles me how WHS, which is a server menant for a home setting, can't connect to a home version of Windows, but only to pro versions...
Also, I agree with the comments about WMC. For those people who use it, this wouldn't be a compelling upgrade if they would be required to pay extra for a higher version of Win8 in order to keep their current functionality, much less having to buy it as a seperate pack.
when was it going to be launch in india
I love Windows Media Center. It's my favorite Windows product. So much, in fact, that I wrote a lengthy review about it and the Ceton card on Amazon. And I never write reviews.
Can't lie, I'm extremely disappointed with the way Microsoft is handing WMC for Windows 8. There's many improvements to be made and it doesn't appear they touched the software at all. Also, it should be INCLUDED with the HOME version, not as an ADD-ON for the PRO version. It's as if Microsoft is trying to kill WMC by making it as unattractive an option as possible.
Can someone from Microsoft please explain the rationale for this?
There are some very clear tactics in play here, the lack of domain join and group policy for RT locks a wide range of new technology into the cloud. Something which many SME's in the UK are years from adopting. Much like windows phone this could lead to poor take up in the enterprise and poor sales performance of new and innovative MS hardware. Such a terrible shame, you're literally ramming this down consumers throats in the vain hope there will be enough take up. Lets hope there are as many competing tablet/ultrabook products available at launch which run on intel atom/i3/i5/i7 instead, as they will be the only products that can be taken seriously within the UK enterprise.
Microsoft Talks Up Windows RT's App Management Capabilities
"Microsoft has said recently that Windows RT devices, when available, will not be capable of Active Directory (AD) management, whereas x86/x64 devices running Windows 8 will have this basic IT management capability. Since AD provides a means for establishing user access within a Windows-based network, it was puzzling why Windows RT would lack direct AD support. The answer to that riddle now seems to be associated with this new management structure for Windows RT, which handles user access to apps. In the background, Active Directory is still part of the process.
Self-Service Portal for Getting Apps
Microsoft's solution for situations where a person uses their Windows RT-based personal device for work, in which they must access "line-of-business" applications on the organization's network, is an authentication approach that's associated with a self-service portal (SSP). This SSP houses Metro-style applications that were internally developed by an organization or developed by an independent software vendor. It also can include links to Web apps and links to Windows Store-based apps."
This is great! I can now say that i lived until the day I saw the many useless versions of Windows blown away and replaced with only 2.
Windows RT is really a very ugly name, why not call it Windows for Tablet? Win ARM? Anything that indicated an OS for tablet.
Still, I dream of a day where Microsoft really becomes ONE Microsoft, with ONE operating system. Truly, you spent time to customize these two versions of Windows, while you could have done only ONE, be it for home users or professionals, and saved your efforts for developing something useful instead of adding or removing features. As if home users do not use EFS to encrypt their files! One Microsoft to me ONE operating system, ONE version for all...
Windows 9 should have ONE version, called Windows 9, without any complications or fantasy names. Windows 9 Server should be called Windows 9 Server, not longhorn, nor short stick, not ugly bird ... nothing more, nothing less. Windows Server should have much less fluffy useless desktop and grafical futilities. Classical desktop, classical Start menu (yea, Windows 2000 style)
Uhh doesn't Windows RT as a name look similar to Windows NT.. ?
Windows ROT. Love it! Finally MS acknowledges that it exists.
for those whom seem confused . . .
this post is only about client NOT server
Office on ARM will only be available bundled with Windows on ARM but current X86 Office will continue to be available with X86 Windows
"PlayTo" is the user-friendly name of a subfeatureset of DLNA support/certification of Windows, NOT just media player and is avialble within the dedicated media apps (winRT metro-style) as well as any third-party apps choosing to use the APIs whether X86, winRT, ARM, .NET etc.
as several have tried to explain RDP HOST is different from having RDP client or supporting its protocol; home versions have always been this way, you'll still be able to remote into windows servers, windows installations with rdp host or anything with a third-party rdp-compliant server installed as well as having remote assistance and other similar features which rely upon rDesktop Protocol support
DirectX is available on ARM devices with appropriate hardware (NVidia makes ARM SoC's & AMD has partnered with ARM itself; many android benchmarking apps will tell you not just OpenGL but also the DirectX revision supported by the render hardware already, Windows Embedded has Aero currently, which is DirectX-only not GDI)
IIS is only included for compatability in Windows Vista & 7 as an optional feature in Professional editions which is unnecessary with Windows 8 (...and probably possible with Windows 7 SP2) because the inclusion of .NET4 pseudo-natively which provides equivalent functionality
WindowsToGo, DirectAccess etc. are for Enterprise only (which is available via Windows Intune; select partners++oems; not just SA)
Windows Media Player is an X86 usermode app that has always been a subset of the Windows client's inbuilt multimedia support and a subset of windows media center but with the new 'metro-style' (WinRT==WindowsRunTime NOT "Windows RT") dedicated media apps replacing much of Windows Media Center's capability the only need for it is on X86 computers with CableCARD or other alternative or similar technologies and their foreign equivalents (which is a significant source of licensing costs for Msft, hopefully having a seperate paid media addition will help to reduce licensing costs of Winbdows 8 greatly!) with winRT media apps for WoA there' no need for media player there, with the media additon there's on need for media center anywhere and I suspect media player is primarily for backwards compatability but moving towards more of a management/sharing function (mayhap a frontend for HomeGroup on the X86 side in the future..?)
Encrypting filesystem is technically a capability of ntFS (the filesystem) and only works on the contents of its filesystem selectively as enabled and has never been user-friendly norincluded in 'home' editions directly, bitlocker is whole disk encryption with the same tory as above, device encryption I suspect uses the same or similar mechanism but is being specified seperately as its more of an on\off approach for the non-removable embedded flash storage typical of ARM-based devices
Windows on ARM doesn't need "enterprise featureset" (i.e. group policy etc; although it will be nice in future WoA revisions) because businesses will pay more for mobile devices, enterprises usually require modern security and 'hardware-level' management capability not yet possible or widely-available on ARM SoC's, there will be Intel SoC's available obviously using X86 editions, many enterprises are moving towards VDI which is nonexistent with ARM currently, many of the Active Directory and related technologies havn't been ported to ARM and probably never will be as there's lots of unnecessary compatability infrastructure that would serve no purpose on the ARM side and needs to go regardless on the X86 side too
Ribbon interface & native-code apps are the reasons for desktop existing in Windows on ARM, Office just wouldn't be possible with a native-ARM-code-compiled version
"Windows RT" Is it because "Windows XP" is still a great success and needed a similar name OR who ever was in charge decided to go with two letters that appear next to each other on the keyboard ? Guess then "Windows FRED" was an option too. Come on we expect better from Microsoft.
Anyone wanting to "upgrade" to Windows 8 also make sure you check out the list of removed features not available in any Windows 8 edition: social.technet.microsoft.com/.../18b53644-6c6b-4d32-820a-53134a0913f3
The REAL $64,000 question about Windows RT and it's built in Office apps:
Are they 100% feature compatible with the regular Office for the desktop?
It seems to certain competitor in this arena who shall remain nameless didn't include support for some features (like footnotes in documents, speaker notes in presentations and such) in their office suite. And what's worse - didn't bother telling anyone up front. People assumed the desktop and tablet versions were 100% compatible - until they found out the hard way that a lot of their hard work was suddenly missing after syncing documents to their shiny new tablets.
Hopefully, Microsoft is NOT repeating that colossal blunder. If they are 100% feature compatible - that would make Windows RT an EPIC WIN for those who choose to equip their staff with such devices. In fact, it'll be a two-fold win since the above mentioned competition doesn't include their office suite with their tablets. It's an extra charge.
In an ideal world, MS would have provided something like Rosetta (which allowed Macs to run PowerPC applications on Intel chips). Then the Arm-based devices would have been able to run x86/x64 software. We wouldn't need "WIndows RT" -- we would just have "Windows 8", and the underlying chip would be an implementation detail. I have no idea whether this was really feasible with x86-to-Arm, but it would have avoided the ugliness that is "Windows RT".
Can you login to a network domain yet with Windows 8?
@JGeDesign.Software Please tell us above where it says that Media Center is AS STANDARD. Even if your Inference were correct why do we have to infer when an explicit statement would be far easier? Ed Bott at ZDNet seems to agree with most of us here that MC is Pro only based on the statement above.
Does Microsoft really believe enterprise will rush to adopt Win 8? The feedback I see suggests the lack of the Start Button/Menu and multiple personality UI is seen as a non-starter for IT departments. A few simple changes could prevent the inevitable Vista effect.
One more version is needed. Windows RT Pro. Domain Join and Group policy support (group policy with store control) would make it a very attractive option for businesses and for the K-12 education space. A lower priced device with enterprise control and support capabilities could really be a great thing when tring to get technology into all student's hands.
Surely the update to media centre could be made available to both windows 8 & windows 8 pro as an economical “media pack”, i know many people who use the current media centre, non of which would use any of the pro features...