Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

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Before we launched Windows 7, we envisioned what the next version of Windows would need to deliver. We made a bet that the PC landscape and industry would undergo a significant transformation driven by an increase in mobility. That bet underscores the changes we made with Windows 8 – it’s a generational leap forward. We built Windows 8 for a world where touch is a first class interaction model, the same as mouse and keyboard; and where there’s a proliferation of innovative and diverse devices that are highly mobile, always on the go and always connected. Windows 8 was built on the reality that the lines between our work and personal lives have blurred.

We’re only a bit more than seven months into this new, bold approach to computing. The response to Windows 8 has been substantial— from new devices to strong app growth to key enhancements to the OS and apps. We’ve learned from customers on how they are using the product and have received a lot of feedback. We’ve delivered hundreds of updates to the product and to apps. We’re just getting started, and the potential ahead is tremendous.

Windows 8.1 will advance the bold vision set forward with Windows 8 to deliver the next generation of PCs, tablets, and a range of industry devices, and the experiences customers — both consumers and businesses alike — need and will just expect moving forward. It’s Windows 8 even better. Not only will Windows 8.1 respond to customer feedback, but it will add new features and functionality that advance the touch experience and mobile computing’s potential. Windows 8.1 will deliver improvements and enhancements in key areas like personalization, search, the built-in apps, Windows Store experience, and cloud connectivity. Windows 8.1 will also include big bets for business in areas such as management and security – we’ll have more to say on these next week at TechEd North America. Today, I am happy to share a “first look” at Windows 8.1 and outline some of the improvements, enhancements and changes customers will see.

Personalization:

In Windows 8.1, you’ll be able to do more to personalize the experience on your device. As people started using Windows 8, we found that people were using their Lock screens to show pictures of their families. So in Windows 8.1, you can turn your PC or tablet into a picture frame by making your Lock screen a slide show of your pictures – either locally on the device or photos from the cloud in SkyDrive. We also added the ability to take pictures with the built-in camera right from the Lock screen without having to log in.

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Windows 8.1 offers more colors and backgrounds for the Start screen – including ones with motion.

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You can even choose your desktop background as your Start screen background, creating a greater sense of unity and familiarity. And the Start screen in Windows 8.1 features a variety of tile sizes including a new large and new small tile, so you can organize your Start screen exactly the way you want it. It’s also even easier to name groups and rearrange tiles. You can now select multiple apps all at once, resize them, uninstall them, or rearrange them. We also found people were accidentally moving tiles on their Start screen so in Windows 8.1, you press and hold (or right click) to move things around.

You can view all apps just by swiping from the bottom to view all apps, and we’ve added the ability to filter your apps by name, date installed, most used, or by category. You want the Start screen to be about all the things you love. So when you install a new app from the Windows Store, we no longer put that app on your Start screen. Instead, you’ll find these apps under apps view as mentioned above and marked as “new” where you can choose to pin the apps you want to your Start screen.

Search:

In Windows 8.1, the Search charm will provide global search results powered by Bing in a rich, simple-to-read, aggregated view of many content sources (the web, apps, files, SkyDrive, actions you can take) to provide the best “answer” for your query. We think this will really change the way you interact with the Web and with windows making it quicker and easier to get things done. It is the modern version of the command line!

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Quick actions include things you would want to do like play a song or video. Results from local files, apps, and settings are easily accessed in the same convenient view by scrolling to the left.

Apps and Windows Store:

We will be improving all our built in apps that come with Windows 8 for Windows 8.1. For example, the Photos app now has some new editing features that lets you quickly edit or adjust photos when you view them in the Photos app or open them from other places like the Mail, SkyDrive, and Camera apps. And our Music app has been completely redesigned to help pick and play music from your collection. We plan to talk more about updates to the built in apps in Windows 8.1 and some brand new apps we will be introducing in a future blog post.

We’re also making improvements for using multiple apps at once in Windows 8.1.

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Windows 8.1 brings variable, continuous size of snap views. You will have more ways to see multiple apps on the screen at the same time. You can resize apps to any size you want, share the screen between two apps, or have up to four apps on screen. If you have multiple displays connected, you can have different Windows Store apps running on all the displays at the same time and the Start Screen can stay open on one monitor. This makes multi-tasking even easier. Also in Windows 8.1, you can have multiple windows of the same app snapped together – such as two Internet Explorer windows.

The improved Windows Store in Windows 8.1 is designed to show more info than in Windows 8 with detailed lists of top free apps, new releases, and picks for you on the homepage. The app listing is more descriptive and informative and includes an area for related apps to help with app discovery. Categories are listed with other app commands such as links to your apps and your account information. App updates install automatically in the background as well as they come through the Store. And search is available in the upper right hand corner for finding the apps you want.

Cloud Connectivity:

In Windows 8.1 your files can be saved directly to SkyDrive, so you can always have your files with you.

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The new SkyDrive app gives you access to your files that are on your device or in the cloud, and files are accessible even when offline.

Also, when you log on to your Windows 8.1 device with your Microsoft account (Outlook.com by default), your device magically becomes personalized with your settings and apps, making switching or setting up a new device really easy.

PC Settings:

The updated PC Settings in Windows 8.1 gives you access to all your settings on your device without having to go to the Control Panel on the desktop. You can do things like change your display resolution, set your power options, see the make and model of your PC, change the product key, let you run Windows Update, and even join a domain – all from PC Settings. You can even manage SkyDrive from PC Settings as well and see how much available storage you have (and buy more if needed).

Internet Explorer:

Web browsing continues to be one of the most popular activities on any device. That’s why with Windows 8.1, you also get Internet Explorer 11 (IE11). IE11 builds on the advancements in IE10 and is the only browser that is built for touch. IE11 will offer even better touch performance, faster page load times and several other new features we think you will enjoy. For example, you can now adjust the appearance of modern IE11 to always show the address bar and you can have as many open tabs as you like. And you can access your open tabs in sync across your other Windows 8.1 devices.

Better Mouse and Keyboard Options

PCs today are evolving for a world of mobile computing where people interact with their devices through touch, and we designed Windows 8 for this. But we also recognize there are many non-touch devices in use today – especially in the commercial setting. As such we’ve focused on a number of improvements to ensure easier navigation for people using a mouse and keyboard.

We’ve improved the way you navigate to Start with the mouse by changing the Start “tip” to be the familiar Windows logo. The new tip appears anytime you move the mouse to the bottom left corner of the screen, and is always visible on the taskbar when on the desktop. There are also options to change what the corners do, and options to boot into alternate screens. For example, if you prefer to see the Apps view versus all the tiles, you can choose to have the Start screen go directly to Apps view.

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These are just some of the updates coming in Windows 8.1. We’ll be blogging more about these and other changes in the coming weeks. As you’ve heard us talk about before, Windows 8.1 will be available later this year as a free update for consumers to Windows 8 through the Windows Store the same way customers get app updates today.

Beginning June 26th, and timed with the start of Build, our developer conference, you will be able to check out these improvements for yourself with a preview of Windows 8.1 that will be released. At Build, we’ll also be sharing more about Windows Embedded, which will be updated in the same timeframe as Windows 8.1. We’re aligning the platforms even more to bring Windows to form factors of all types, including not only tablets and PCs, but also the growing category of industry devices such as ATMs, point of service (POS) terminals, and kiosks.

Windows 8 has been a bold, necessary move towards mobility for the PC industry – pushing ourselves and our industry ahead with a touch-first approach that is redefining the PC as we know it, while offering the best of all worlds across any device at any time. Our commitment to that vision – and to always improving - remains the same as we stay the course of the evolution of Windows with Windows 8.1. We’ve been watching, we’ve been listening; Windows 8.1 will continue to build on what you love bringing the latest advancements in hardware, apps, cloud services and the OS to enable a unique experience in everything you do.

More to come. Thanks for reading.

Antoine Leblond,
Corporate Vice President, Windows Program Management

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  • Is Microsoft going to finally do something about it's partners' lack of support for Win 8 as an upgrade to Win 7? To be more specific, my HP laptop was 2 months out of the one year period for which HP said it would provide support (ie. graphics drivers etc.).

    How can Microsoft expect people to upgrade to a new OS if its partners do not provide any support for it? I like the OS but cannot run it on a laptop with Core i7 and 6 gigs of memory because HP does not provide drivers for its switchable graphics. Just a thought.

  • Scasc
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    Putting the mouse pointer on top right (to activate the charms bar) makes the mouse pointer itself to disappear (on the right of the screen), so the selection of items in the charm bar is less easy.

    The mouse pointer could be mirrored (leftright) when the charm bar is active, so it will remain in the screen.

    Further, the bottom app bar can be activated by moving the mouse pointer anyway on the bottom of the screen (like the option for the legacy desktop taskbar) rather than to use the mouse right click (that could, for example, activate instead a contextual menu, at least in Internet Explorer) or, as an user option, it could be set to be permanently visible on the screen.

    As above, if the app bar is activated on demand (i.e. by moving the mouse pointer anyway on the bottom of the screen), the mouse pointer could be mirrored (updown) when the app bar is active, so it will remain in the screen.

    Finally, in order to remove confusion between bars, the bottom hot corners (for the running apps bar and for the charms bar) could be removed.

    Note that the start screen shortcut that is available in the running apps bar could be a duplicate of the start screen shortcut that is available in the charms bar.

    I think that the start screen shortcut could remain in the charms bar only, maybe moved on the top of the charms bar itself (in order to be easily clicked with the mouse).

    Since the running apps bar (only in Windows 8 mode) and the Windows switch bar (only in desktop mode) are mutually exclusive, both the "Alt + Tab" and the "Windows + Tab" keyboard shortcuts could activate the relevant bar, in order to make easier the transition of the user's habits.

    The "Windows" key in the keyboard should be a shortcut to the "all apps" screen in desktop mode and a shortcut to the "all apps" screen in Windows 8 mode.

  • Scasc
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    I also think that it should be made more clear, to the user, the "mode" that is currenlty running and the transition between the "desktop" and the "Windows 8" mode.

    I mean, "Windows 8" mode is when one (or more) Windows 8 app or the start screen is shown, instead "desktop" mode is when the desktop (eventually, with the open desktop apps windows) or the "all apps" screen is shown.

    Suggestions:

    - only in "desktop" mode, disable the Windows 8 "running apps" bar on the left and the charm bar on the right.

    - only in "Windows 8" mode, disable the desktop "windows switch" bar (the bar that appears by pressing "Alt+Tab", already present in Windows 7 and before).

    - in "desktop" mode, replace the "deskop" thumbnail present in the "windows switch" bar (that seems confusing) with the "start screen" thumbnail (shortcut to the "Windows 8" mode start screen, with the live tiles).

    - in "Windows 8" mode, make always available the "desktop" thumbnail, i.e. not only when the desktop is actually running.

    - if "login to desktop" mode is enabled, at login show the "all apps" screen and then automatically swap to the desktop.

    - if the user makes an action that causes the swap between modes (i.e., he opens a desktop app from the start screen or, vice-versa, he opens a Windows 8 app from the "all apps" screen: he goes to the start screen from the "windows switch" bar or, vice-versa, he goes to the desktop from the Windows 8 "running apps" bar), swap between the running "modes" passing through the "all apps" screen and the Windows 8 start screen (i.e., swapping between "Windows 8" mode and "desktop" mode will show the start screen, then an automatic, vertical scroll to the "all apps" screen, finally open the desktop with the desktop app, if applicable; vice-versa, swapping between the "desktop" mode and the "Windows 8 mode" will show the "all apps" screen, then an automatic, vertical scroll to the start screen, finally open the Windows 8 app, if applicable).

    Note that I think that the "Windows 8" HMI is better that the "desktop" HMI, also for the mouse/keyboard users.

    However, the users must convince theirselves that this is true and it takes time to change their habits.

    So, let they start to use Windows 8 in "desktop" mode, if they are convinced that "desktop is better"; when they have convinced theirselves that the "desktop is better" statement is actually not true, they will silently swap to the "Windows 8" HMI, they will start to buy Windows 8 apps rather than desktop apps and the Windows ecosystem will complete the transition planned by MS with Windows 8.

  • Scasc
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    Working in desktop mode could still confuse the traditional mouse/keyboard users.

    Suggestions:

    - substitute the Windows 8 logo on the charm bar with the start screen thumbnail shown on the bottom left corner.

    - make visible the start screen thumbnail (when pointing the mouse at the bottom left corner, as now) only when a Windows 8 app is open, otherwise completely disable the bottom left corner.

    - make permanently visible the Windows 8 logo (as a shortcut to the desktop, NOT to the start screen) on the bottom left side of the "all apps" screen (same position of the Windows 8 logo present in the Windows 8.1 desktop taskbar).

    - move the scroll bar of the "all apps" screen above the Windows 8 logo.

    - make available all options like "login to desktop", "go to "all apps" screen rather than to the start screen", "same wallpaper for desktop and start screen/"all apps" screen", grouped together as a "desktop mode/Windows 8 mode" choice, available (only for "non touch" devices) at the first user login, giving to the user the possibility to swap between modes later.

    IMHO such changes will firstly convince the traditional mouse/keyboard users to use Windows 8 as a "desktop mode" os

    Then, they could start to use the Windows 8 apps (that will run when the os is set in "desktop mode" too, of course) by theirselves rather than forced by the os.

    Finally, once they will be familiar with the Windows 8 gui, they will swap to the "Windows 8 mode" by theirselves

  • Beecher
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    Good! Now include a notifications center before you hit RTM? In the charms bar maybe like this: wdsjug.bay.livefilestore.com/.../newcharmsbar.png

    Notice the shutdown button! This button could also be added on the start screen when you click the user picture?

    Okay I'll stop my obvious accessibility tips now, won't ever be implemented anyway.

  • ap21
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    What will it take to build a notification center as this has been the most wanted feature both in Windows and Windows Phone however haven't seen any clue on that we will have one by RTM?

    Also hate the random placement of notification tiles dependent on how many appears most of the times PC wakes up and all of the notification fire at once before you read one all of them disappears. What's the point of having such useless feature?

  • People buy windows computers because they are cheap.

    We know you don't listen to people like us - which is why we hate you so, so much. And, while improving the product over many years, you also have a habit of introducing changes that drive experienced users who actually work with their computers simply crazy.

    There are thousands of articles on the internet proving that your new Metro UI has severe problems. Please read some of the better ones.  There is simply no reason to have such a schizophrenic operating system. If you want metro tiles, them have metro tiles on your desktop and be done with it. Extend the desktop like android and add snap and swipe. But leave us our toolbars, start button  and (file) explorer so we can see all the files we need to see to get work done.  

    And if you want to actually improve windows for people who work do something like this:

    Have better window controls. Snap, window shade. Have a expanding explorer window default to the size of the information in the window. Have a 'keep on top'. Have an ability to double click that expands the window but leaves some of the desktop visible. The problem with windows is - windows. There are too many of them. And the window you want always takes forever to get to. Things like short cuts in dialog boxes helps - but so would a more sensible way of opening and closing file defaults. For example, double clicking an excel document should open another instance of excel, not a tab, since I can't see multiple tabs on the same screen.

  • Well after 20 years of Windows use - from Windows 3.1 until Windows 8 - Microsoft has achieved what is was trying to do all the time. Drive me away from Windows to Linux.

    I resisted, I truly did. Indeed there were times with Windows ME and Vista that I swore off Windows, but I came back because I always hoped they'd get it.  And they did. There was Windows 7 where I fell in loved all over again.  At last, I thought, at last these guys have got it.

    A clean unobtrusive OS that simply helps you get your work done.  But it didn't last.

    Along came the Windows 8 abortion designed by kids who wanted to get onto the mobile bandwagon. (Let's face it Microsoft still hasn't 'got' the essence of mobile.)

    Windows 8 was so bad that it actually affected the PC industry. Sales of new PCs plummeted due to the Windows 8 fiasco. LeBlond knows this, but of course will put a positive spin on it and blame something else.Management simply cannot accept responsibility.  I know. I worked in Bellevue the early 1990s. (Had some good stock options too.)

    So what does Microsoft and Balmer do?  They sping like a whirling dervish and persist with the fiasco in the desperate desire to get their OS onto smartphones and tablets. I spent some time with Windows 8.1.  A crap compromise attempting to placate the many Windows 7 users.  The so-called start button is a joke.  

    Any smart product manager would see that the obvious way is to have two version of the OS. Maintain compatibility with the same underlying code, but provide two completely different user experiences. Because of the way their OS is structured - way back from the old days of NT - it would be relatively easy to do.

    But the Microsoft product people have a better plan. Remember when we introduced the Ribbon they tell Steve. There was a lot of wailing, but it went away. Same will happen with Windows 8 and soon, don't worry Steve,  Windows 8 will be on tablets and smartphones everywhere.

    Boy are they wrong.  Times have changed. There are real alternatives out there now.  LeBlond tells us with a straight face that they listened to users.  Only thing I can suggest Antoine is that you need a hearing aid.  Users, from grannies to power-users have complained, are complaining and will complain in the future and slowly drift away from the Microsoft franchise. Not to Linux of course, but to the Mac and Google's offerings.

    For me the solution was simple. Mint 14 as OS with VirtualBox running Windows 7 to handle the software only available on Windows. Slowly as Windows becomes less and less relevant the issue will go away.  

    Come on Antoine: stop with the 'we listened to users' guff and go and tell the product people that Windows 8.x is a failure; a flop; a stupid compromise that pleases no one.  Tell them to fix the darn OS. Either that or vest your options before they are worth nothing.

  • With W8 you have irritated some user very hard, they will quit. OK, if MS want them to (disappearing customers).

    The Programm start list was very useful for people who wher programming. With this release I have to reduce tolls, because the desktop is too small and not to be correct recognised for all my applications I want to have.

    Myconclusion is: try out Apple (since some years a Linux derivate) or a Linux distribution on my ordinary working machine. The only thing inbetween is a strong editor for Linux, but I am shure I willl find one suitable.

  • - And where's documents ? The start screen should have a documents section, allowing switching between favourites, most recent, and folder/ type view.

    - Should be able to pin documents to the start screen.

  • I installed 8.1 yesterday as a hyper-v. My initial reactions are :

    + Love the new Market Place. It feels a lot more relevant to "me"

    + Like some of the new start screen: customise, naming groups, sortable all apps section etc.

    + Like the start button on the desktop

    + Mixed on the new window layouts: Thought I would love it, but some windows such as help resize so very badly.

    - Can't change the default font size or dpi for metro apps. Well I can but it goes from just a tad too small for day to day use, to WAY TOO BIG. It's a real shame given I can set the desktop environment to exactly how I like it.

    - I had trouble with a gmail based account on upgrade. I was expecting this to have been addressed by now.

    - Still unable to change the font size whilst reading mail. Where's zoom etc ?

    - I opened "help" from "mail" (in regards to the google issue) and the help window's text was so tiny it was unreadable. Had to make help full screen. When it resizes it should do as web pages do and wrap, not scale like a bitmap. Would have to be the most unhelpful help design in windows history!!

    - Dislike the new search defaulting to everywhere. I vastly prefer windows 8 search. In windows 8 I hit the windows key, type a few letters of the app I want to start and hey presto I'm there. This new search everywhere is too slow for the default. And I vastly prefer the windows 8 layout where I can see app, settings and file counts.

    If I want to search Bing I know how to go to Bing. I rely on search in windows for app launching, settings, and  document finding: I don't want that part of Bing and I don't want to share those searches with Bing. Epic FAIL.

    - The new start screen has groups you can name, but yet the all apps doesn't let you sort by that group name.

    And you can't collapse groups on the start screen. The start screen is an improvement, but it isn't there yet.

  • Something i realised while using W8 is that i cant open two different metro apps on two different screens at the same time.

    Does the 8.1 version support multiple monitors while using metro?

  • I like most of Windows 8 - but i am very annoyed that i can't copy files into C:\Users\[Username]\Program Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\[Profile]\

    I have to go through a hassle of taking ownership of several folders to even be able doing that. Well, first i have to disable UAC to do that ofcourse. I just want it to be simple as in XP x64. I agree with DV2 that this is completely RIDICILOUS !

    And as many other have complained about: A real startmenu, not the crap You seem to release with 8.1. Why do i need to download and install a 3rd party software to get what i want ? Let us choose between Win 2k, XP, 7 startmenu - or ModernUI. That would mean a lot to me.

    I have also stumbled into a bug in Windows 8.0 build 9200 - if i dualboot with previous Windows versions Windows 8 seem to render files corrupt. Every time, almost, when i boot an older Windows version it tells me that a drive or a partion has to be checked by checkdisc due to an error. So it does, but it doesn't repair the files, it deletes them. Have lost important data due to this. Therefore i am stuck with XP x64, Vista x64 and Windows 7 x64 at the moment on my main pc. Install 8 is out of the question if i can't trust it. This most be some sort of bug ? (I have a new UEFI-computer with SATA3-HDD). Feel free to email me if You need further info, but i guess i gave You what i can give You about this problem.

  • Leakey
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    In My opinion 8.1 is probably the worst thing I've ever seen Microsoft due to their customer base.  A start button without the Start menu is a slap in the face to millions of your customers who asked for the start button option.  

    I would respect Microsoft more if they just stuck to their guns and said no you cannot have to start button back.  Does anyone in Microsoft realize that the people who were asking for the start button Start menu To come back do not like the Metro UI.  So why would you ignore their please and give them a start button that brings you to the Metro UI?  You are really not listening to your customer base. There is no reason Not to have the Start menu with the start button.  

    Brandon This is a direct question to you do you actually believe that the customers who wanted to start button back did not want to start menu?

    Bottom line Microsoft either just get rid of the start button altogether or bring it back properly There is no room for in between here It either has to be all or nothing.  Again the start button without a start menu is the absolute worst thing I've ever seen Microsoft due to its customers. You just literally slap them all in the face.....

  • ftanada
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    Why make things more complicated and convoluted?

  • ftanada
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    Antoine, hopefully this gets through. Start Menu or Start Screen is not that important to me since I heavily use the Task Bar via the Quick Launch toolbar. The biggest trouble I have transitioning to Windows 8 are the following: get my devices to work and the easiest management procedures got extremely difficult. Fixing Windows via Safe Mode before was easy, press F8 during the boot process. Accepting unsigned drivers was simply done via the System Properties applet.

  • @ jds547 - First of all you double posted. Also what are you trying to say? Windows 8 is for everyone especially for business users. If some people don't understand Windows 8 it doesn't mean that everyone finds it so hard. Windows 8 is a new revolution as far as the Microsoft as concern and everyone witnessed and agreed.

  • jds547
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    Microsoft does not get the point.  This is not about some teenagers passing around photos and messages.  Windows 8 is not easy or logical to use in a business environment.  My local computer shop has installed a start menu and wants to sell me Windows 7.  Even the use of the word 'charms' speaks loudly.  Before I saw the developer, I knew it was a  woman.  This is not a game or a breakfast cereal.  Yes, Windows 8 has had a significant (your word) impact.  Computer sales are down significantly.  Also, my Outlook will not transfer using the 'easy transfer' tool.  There need to be very big changes at Microsoft.

  • jds547
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    Microsoft does not get the point.  This is not about some teenagers passing around photos and messages.  Windows 8 is not easy or logical to use in a business environment.  My local computer shop has installed a start menu and wants to sell me Windows 7.  Even the use of the word 'charms' speaks loudly.  Before I saw the developer, I knew it was a  woman.  This is not a game or a breakfast cereal.  Yes, Windows 8 has had a significant (your word) impact.  Computer sales are down significantly.  Also, my Outlook will not transfer using the 'easy transfer' tool.  There need to be very big changes at Microsoft.

  • On June 26, Windows 8.1 Preview will be available on MSDN/Technet/VLSC?

  • While Microsoft does not improve the usability of windows 8 operating system will remain unpopular. It is not clear where to look marketers of microsoft. In 8.1 all the windows are just as bad as in windows 8. The old main menu was much more convenient than the current footcloth.

  • I am very much looking forward to this release. Unfortunately, I will have to revise and perhaps rewrite a good portion of my Guide to Windows 8. Oh well, such is technology I guess. I hope this iteration will attract all of the haters to Win8 again though.

    www.groovypost.com/.../complete-guide-use-windows-8

  • Please fix the blurry text/fonts in Outlook 2013 and IE 10.  

  • gzhtub
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    Microsoft say they are "listening" to users, in that case I wish they would listen a little harder...

  • I think the biggest change will be background behind the tiles. It will have the biggest affect on how the start screen feels as it reverses what happens. The tiles become invited onto the desktop, rather than the user being thrown out into Metro. I don't know how much it will appease people who dislike the W8, but it might not alienate as many first time users.

    www.ricorocks.eu/windows-8-1-removing-the-jar

  • Retina
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    its nice. the quick power on n off is really awesome but it shouldn't have left good..actually better things in Windows 7 or atleast have option to choose Windows 7 like things. I really miss Windows 7. I love it more to Windows 8. It was ease using same run box to run a program or console and search. There were many options of thumbnail view. Its really good for looking for a specific image from a gallery of similar looking image( e.g pic shoots using continue shoot). I still love to option to choose old file explorer.

  • RockyMtnLvr: I saw a picture somewhere with a button that you can disable edge-swipes within the OS, not just through the touchpad settings.  I tried to find it again, but was unable to.

  • Does 8.1 Blue fix the edge-motion issue?

  • All I want to know is whether or not Windows 8.1 Blue is going to address the edge-motion issue.

    I have an Alienware M18X R2 laptop with a Synaptics touchpad mouse and all software/drivers up to date.  This edge-motion feature is obnoxious to the point I want to chuck a very expensive computer across the room.  When I run Windows 7 all of the options I choose for my touchpad mouse take effect immediately.  When I switch over to Windows 8 the user settings that don't involve edge-motion remain in effect while the options that do involve edge-motion are overridden by the OS.  It doesn't change the settings in the Synaptics software, it just overrides them so those ridiculous charms keep popping up in the middle of my work and gaming.

    I contacted Microsoft through their online support, Facebook and Twitter.  My Twitter post has been completely ignored.  Online support is friendly, but clueless.  They have no answers, and just do the same web search that I can do.  The only response I got from my Facebook inquiry told me to contact online support, even though I had explained  that I had already done so.  After that my questions have all been deleted immediately with no response.

    Rather than admitting that this is a programming issue unique to Windows 8, the online support agent told me to contact my computer manufacturer.  Alienware/Dell is well aware of the problem, but since it only occurs when running Windows 8, this is NOT a hardware issue.  When you look at the complaints you will see that the problem is occurring on a wide range of models and manufacturers. The computer manufacturers can't do anything to fix Windows 8 problems. It speaks volumes about a company that dodges responsibility for their mistakes by passing the blame rather than correcting the problems they created.

    I asked the online support agent how I could contact someone at Microsoft who's knowledgeable about 8.1 Blue.  He never did tell me. Instead he gave me links to websites with files to download and instructions for making modifications to my UI/registry.  Unfortunately none of these "fixes" are from Microsoft.  Instead they are downloads and programming instructions from strangers who happened to post them on a Microsoft blog.  If these are safe, then why doesn't Microsoft provide the information directly?  We live in a world full of hackers and people who publish malicious software for the fun of it.  I'd rather burn my copy of Windows 8 than risk my computer, work and private information to unknown sources.

    Is there anyone from Microsoft that cares enough about customer service and customer satisfaction to do the research and let me know whether or not Windows 8.1 Blue is going to fix the edge-motion problem?

  • EddyD
    0 Posts

    One big issue with Windows 8 in desktop mode is that the on screen keyboard (OSK) is not popping up automatically when you hit an editor. It's terribly frustrating to have to click the keyboard icon in the task bar every time.

    Great improvements in the Windows 8 OSK would be:

    - Auto popup on editors (like in the metro UI)

    - Ability to lock the position / State (for example always show at the bottom in "normal" window mode)

    - Transparency option to see what's behind (with big dialogs, the OSK prevents you from seeing what you type).

    There are so many complaints about this in forums...

    Without this, we would have to keep on using 3rd party OSKs.

  • Agosto
    0 Posts

    A good update to Windows RT would be to preinstall the Windows Essentials as part of the desktop apps, I know a lot of people that only install 2 programs when they buy a new P.C.,  the Windows Essentials and Skype, of course there's a Skype app in the Windows Store, but the Windows Essentials could really make Windows RT feel like a ''can do everything'' O.S. and up until earlier versions of Windows most came pre-installed too.

  • As much as I dislike Linux, most of the distributions I've played around with have two options for interfaces - KDE and Gnome. KDE reminds me of the Windows 3.1 Program Manager and Windows 8. Gnome has a Start Menu similar to Windows 7.

    Why can't MS do something like that? The Start button in 8.1 is just that - a button. It still takes you back to that hideous Windows 8 Start Menu. It isn't a menu that keeps the screen clear of the clutter that is the Windows 8 Start Menu.

    Because I treat my home network about the same as the company where I work, I haven't read anything that makes me want to run out an purchase a Windows 8 computer yet, nor do I see anything that makes me want to install it on business computers either.

    Almost all of the features listed above represent security and compliance risks that I as a Desktop Systems Engineer/Administrator do not really want to deal with. I mean really, what security and compliance person in their right mind would want employees downloading company documents to a personal tablet/laptop? I didn't see anything about encryption for these tablets.

    There are those that say if you don't like Windows 8/8.1, it's just because you haven't taken the time to learn it. On the contrary, that's my job. It's what I do for a living. Every time a new OS is released, I disect it and form conclusions about whether or not to use it. I put the beta, then preview, then release versions in VMs or on hardware if available and take them for a spin.

    For us, Desktop Gadgets, the Sidebar, etc., are disabled in Windows 7. No one verifies those apps/gadgets, and I've seen too many that are just plain CPU hogs. We don't need more calls to the support desk because someone downloaded a gadget/app that crashes their computer.

    Just because I don't like something doesn't mean that I haven't taken the time to learn it, or that I'm afraid to learn new things. We all make decisions about what we like in life. Some prefer GM cars, others prefer Ford. Some like like the fact that newer cars have OnStar or GPS. I won't buy a car with OnStar or GPS. It isn't because I don't understand the technology. It's because I do understand the technology that I won't buy.

    In this case, I prefer Windows 7 and its features much more that I do Windows 8/8.1. I haven't found a compelling reason to put our business through the learning curve and clutter that is Windows 8/8.1, that I can't recommend an upgrade yet. People that sit all day and do email, word processing, or number crunching, don't want cute little apps from the Windows Store, or the clutter that is the Windows 8/8.1 Start Menu. They don't want "charms". They don't want what passes as news, weather, and sports streamed to some goofy looking "tile", and I don't care how many sizes they come in, they look ridiculous. People just want to get their work done.

    Anybody remember Microsoft Bob? Meet his grandchild - Windows 8.1.

    toastytech.com/.../bob.html

  • Leakey
    0 Posts

    I believe Microsoft has done a extreme disservice to those people who asked for the start button return. a start button without the Start menu is slapping your customers in the face. I would have infinitely respected Microsoft more if they did not include the start button and stuck to your guns as part of this update.  By far I think this is the worst thing Microsoft has ever done. I sincerely hope that one windows 8.1 finalize is you do of one of two things.  Either remove the start button permanently.  Or give the customers who want the start button start menu system back.  This is the number one aspect of Windows 8 that people complained about right or wrong people wanted the start button start menu system.  Again all Microsoft did was insult their customers by only giving back partially.  Sorry Microsoft but this needs to be all or nothing.  Again I would have infinitely respected you more to stick to your guns and say no you cannot have the start button back.  

  • andrewz
    0 Posts

    It's nice to see that Windows 8 is moving forward into the right direction. There are two aspects that are still missing or not done thoroughly in my opinion: CONTINUITY & SIMPLICITY across the New UI.

  • I am trying to learn Windows 8.  I like many things, but I do have a BIG problem with not being able to organize my folders and subfolders in My Documents and my photos in My Pictures.  I need to be able to free sort my information, and I haven't found a way to do this.  On XP, I was able to click and drag my files where needed, and it is absolutely necessary that I have the same flexibility on this operating system.  Yes, I know there are options to arrange files by the sorting methods offered in the View section.  However, I need to put my documents and pictures where I want them, and not where my computer thinks they should go.  I have imported my documents and photos from my old laptop, and I have added new content.  I do not want to, nor should I have to, number all my documents and photos so they jump into the order I want.  If anyone knows of a way to fix this "defect" in Windows 8, please let me know.  Thank You.

  • Dre F
    0 Posts

    Does this mean we have to back up our files again

  • galbin
    0 Posts

    Repair the allowable minimum screen resolution so that you can install on netbooks of 1024x600, that would be a good change.

  • ozaz
    3 Posts

    I would like to make a suggestion in relation to using microsoft accounts to login to devices.

    I like having my Windows login connected to my microsoft account. But I don't feel very secure having to enter my microsoft account password every time I login to my laptop in public (my lock screen displays my microsoft account username and I never know who may be looking over my shoulder to see me type my password). This can be alleviated a bit by using a 4 digit pin or picture password when logging into a laptop but I don't really like these methods (the former because it is too short and the latter because it is easy for someone to see what you are doing).

    Instead of requiring me to use my microsoft account as login credentials, please allow me to link my microsoft account to a local device username/password so that I have the benefit of a microsoft account without potentially revealing my microsoft username and password everytime I login to my device in public.

  • jloLOLS
    0 Posts

    At least the comeback of the Start button should be optional. For me, using the Start "tip" at the bottom left corner of the screen is better than the Start button.

    And PUH-LEASE! Fix the Windows Store! It's a disaster! For months, I can't download anything from it and I am worried that when the 8.1 update is out, the Store will show me this error (0x8020002e) again.

  • jwcane
    0 Posts

    Wow.  Desktop backgrounds.

    Just like Windows 3.1.

  • please .. please  make a wishlist in a store application :(

  • H8WIN8
    0 Posts

    You said "You can even choose your desktop background as your Start screen background, creating a greater sense of unity and familiarity."

    Any chance that it could actually take a snapshot of your desktop each time, so that the Start Splash Screen's tiles/icons are overlayed on your desktop with its currently opened applications ?  This would give even further "unity and familiarity".  But I guess it could also get a bit confusing?  Mabe if the background was dulled down a bit so it was obvious which were tiles/icons and what was your current desktop ?

  • I want a link to download an upgraded version of Windows 8.1

    Such as Windows 8.1 build 9415

  • Any improvement to access the Internet via company proxy... .so the APPs can update/upgrade instantly ....

  • prowla
    0 Posts

    BTW, How do you run Windows Update in Windows 8?

  • prowla
    0 Posts

    The Start 8 vs Start Is Back review is interesting, but how weird that you have to pay a 3rd party to put "back" a feature that the OS vendor took out.

    And anyway. I have a much better option - stick with (or upgrade to) Windows 7.

    (Windows Server 2012 is also a bit of a joke - it's got some good operational features, but its UI is even more juxtaposed, with the addition of PowerShell.)

  • Ian
    0 Posts

    I suppose instead of whinging we should be proactive

    www.youtube.com/watch Start 8 vs Start Is Back review

  • H8WIN8
    0 Posts

    Antoine,

    Thanks for providing this information. I look forward to testing Windows 8.1.

    On your statement, "We’ve been watching, we’ve been listening; Windows 8.1 will continue to build on what you love", I would agree with  "watching" and "listening" but it has not yet made enough of a difference, you have to put Windows back to the way it was.  I (and many others) do not like Metro/Modern UI nor the FULL SCREEN START MENU.  However that said, I doubt if I can change your mind, and I doubt I will stop using Microsoft Windows just yet (Windows 8 still has the Desktop, for now at least).

    Something that I would request Microsoft's developers consider, the lack of the Start button has been the focus of most "rants" and complaints, however from my experience Desktop users have more actual issues finding and accessing the Charms menu than they do the Start menu.  If Windows 8.1 Desktop task bar will sport an area (a start button like area) that allows easy access to the FULL SCREEN START MENU, then please also add on the far right side of the task bar, a Charms menu button. PLEASE !     I would appreciate it if there was a user preference option to have a taskbar on the FULL SCREEN START MENU, and on all Metro screens, sporting a Desktop button, and a Charms button, for those of us who want to press buttons and don't want to swipe, looking for hidden things or have to try to put the mouse into a corner. On my 24" screen, I am sure I can spare the screen real-estate.

    One more request.  Can we have a one step, or at a maximum, a two step power off option.  I turn off my computer at the wall point after I have shut it down, and most corporate accounts that I have worked for request Users to power off their computers at night.  We need to do this, so making it easy and obvious would be appreciated. I guess sometime in the future our hardware may have a sleep capacity that is so good there is no standby power usage, but that is still a while away.  I realise you are all focused on "Tablet', but as yet 90% of existing computers are Desktops. And while Tablets are currently selling faster than Desktops, for actual existing devices desktops are still the majority 9 to 1.

    Sadly I really, really doubt that Windows 8.1 is going to make disgruntled Windows 8 Users happy.  And any sales will mainly be people purchasing new hardware as when we make new hardware purchases, we don't get a choice, if we want a Microsoft OS, there is only Windows 8 in the shops.

    So later this year when I hope to purchase several Windows 8 Bay Trail computers, please don't count my purchases as Windows 8 sales, do another check to see if we are running Start8, and if we are, then subtract us from the sales figures to give a more accurate figure of those who like Windows8, as the rest of us will be trying to pretend we are still using Windows 7.

    I thank you for all your hard work and apologize that the majority of users don't appreciate Metro/Modern UI.  It seems the designers are so fixed on Tablets that they don't notice that they are ruining the Desktop user-experience (which is Windows largest market).  I guess they cannot do much else when the mandate is to have the same UI across all systems.   I did not know whether to cry or to laugh when I saw the Metro UI on a Windows Server.  The idea of the same interface on all products was noble, but I believe in error.

    Please listen and take action to restore Windows before it is totally destroyed/replaced.

  • prowla
    0 Posts

    Regarding the Start menu:

    The issue with the home screen is that it shifts the whole display to a different view, rather than allowing you to remain in the context you were working.

    That is just plain poor User Interface design.

    Of course, the Start menu was not the final word in UI design either, and indeed other OS's use different mechanisms to launch programs.

    So I don't necessarily want the good old start menu back; it's just that the new method is clunky and cumbersome, and not an improvement.

    I am a desktop user and I want to work from my desktop on my multi-display in a consistent and uninterrupted manner; I do not want to be flipping to a mobile phone interface when I need to change programs.

    Regarding Metro in general:

    I don't get how we have gone back to something that looks like Windows 2 (en.wikipedia.org/.../File:Windows_2.1.png) in the name of progress.

    It's not modern and it's not retro (in any cool way).

    The thick blue 2D window borders are just plain ugly; Windows 7 had transparency and do other OS's, and without this Windows 8 looks plain.

    I simply cannot see how any Metro feature is an improvement for a desktop user.

    And what are the Metro Apps for? I don't see why these are needed on a powerful desktop PC; they serve no purpose other than to add clutter.

  • Add an option to create a temporary ad-hoc in network and sharing center before 8.1 hits RTM. (the one which was present in Windows 7)

  • Ian
    0 Posts

    I read the first paragraph of your blog, the trouble with your rhetoric is that it is detached from reality, in this case the realities of windows users.

    What MS has done with W8, and why people are angry, is that W8 is a major breach of trust with your Windows install base. If Metro had been optional, I could have enthusiastically bought 8 and dabbled in Metro as it suited and been enthusiastic about Metro and its place in Windows.

    However, I do not want it as a start screen, never ever. It gets in the way of working. Its a touch screen/small screen UI and I have neither a touch screen or a small screen - and my laptop never will.

    So instead of a being a W8 enthusiast, I am a W8 hater. What an ill conceived crock of sh*te I think, that puts positioning MS ahead of the usability of my PC - which I spend 10 hours a day on. I feel a sense of betrayal by MS who I have loyally stood by over the years.

    MS say they have "listened", that looks disingenuous. Nobody wanted the a disembodied start button without its start menu. No one.

    The new features in W8, like sand-boxing, the death of  aero, the speed improvements, etc are long overdue. There could be so much more. Metro on desktops will go the way of Aero.

    MS seems to want to use Windows to generate apps for its mobile. If I was an app developer I could develop a Metro app that runs on everything or a desktop app. Unfortunately the Metro name is now so compromised that committing to it might not be a good idea.

    The problem for me with Metro apps is they don't appear on my task bar. So i won't use them for more than games, and I don't play games. Imagine if metro apps could appear in a window on my desktop and show on my taskbar and all the metro navigation I don't need wasn't turned off in such a mode. Then I could maybe want a metro app.

    So as I am a W8 hater, will I be buying or recommending a Windows phone or tablet?!? NOT FRIGGING LIKELY.

    If I was a W8 lover would I buy other Windows devices? Of course.

  • NickR
    0 Posts

    I am glad to find a forum that just maybe Microsoft at least read.  I am not an IT professional but an accountant.  I have though, used personal computers since pre DOS and was deputy managing partner in a large firm of UK accountants.  Amongst my roles was that I was in charge of IT in the firm, firstly as a reasonably skilled amateur and latterly through a number of IT professionals who reported to me.   On my watch, my firm was the first large UK firm to have a website and, to my knowledge, the first to have its offices networked and routinely using email.

    I make these points really to confirm that I am no Luddite and have generally been an early adopter.  That was true of most iterations of windows from 3 onwards.  I will confess to having stuck with XP, avoiding Vista until windows 7.

    In common with 99.9 % of tablet users, my tablet is not and is unlikely to be in the future, windows based.  My mobile phone is Android and, again, unlikely to be windows based for the foreseeable future.  

    My serious computing though, via which I earn my living, is windows based and at least for now, not touch based. That serious computing work needs a mouse and keyboard and as far as I can see, there is no current viable touch based alternative to the MS Office suite although I appreciate Office 13 moves in that direction.  I am a power user of Word and especially Excel and will require a lot of convincing that touch has much of a role in complex VBA driven spreadsheets.

    I have loaded Win 8 on my non touch but nonetheless powerful laptop and genuinely tried to make work with mouse and keyboard and it's win 8 compatible touchpad.  Frankly, it is not a pleasant experience and feels exactly as it is - a touch based system in the wrong environment.  If I could, I would revert the machine to W7 but as an OEM version, I have no way of doing that.

    I appreciate that you think that touch is the future and maybe you are right.  Unfortunately, we live in the present where 99% of PC and laptop users do not have touch enabled devices.  These are the people MS rely on, where windows continues to dominate but windows 8 let's them down.  Maybe if there is wider adoption of windows on mobile devices things would be different but from my perspective MS seems to have missed that boat by several years and Apple/Google systems look set to continue to dominate in that area for the foreseeable future.

    In essence therefore, it seems that you want to force your installed windows base to learn a mobile operating system which 99% of them will never use on a phone or tablet and which is wholly unsuitable for non touch enabled PCs and laptops.

    If you can't get the message when at least a third of windows 8 users have downloaded a third party start button/start menu app, you are either a lot smarter than me or supremely arrogant.

    Finally, the adoption of Win 8 is a nightmare in the wings for corporations.  Firstly, there is the issue of staff training, many of who know the minimum required to do their daily work.  Secondly, there are all those legacy systems in areas like accounting, none of which are touch enabled or ever likely to be.  Even if they are or are replaced, that's more downtime and re-training.  Thirdly, and potentially a killer, the vast majority of corporate workstations have a vertically mounted screen some 2/3 feet in front of the worker.  Touch screens to operate comfortably need to be closer to horizontal which means a total rethink of your average corporate work station.

    Please Microsoft, I have loads of respect for many of your products.  They have enabled me to earn a good living over my career but Windows 8 is disrespecting and taking for granted your installed user base.  By all means let it provide a touch based interface but you need to cater for the vast majority of users who do not have touch enabled systems.  Just setting the start button as a shortcut to the Metro screen does not cut it.

    Nick Robinson

  • They're not listening, man. Don't even bother. You're wasting your time.

    When the Windows team ignores even Jakob Nielsen you know something is wrong: www.nngroup.com/.../windows-8-disappointing-usability

  • So Windows 8.1 still does not have "windows"? I mean it sitll does not have the capability of having a "windows" you can move around and lay over others? You know the "window" that Xerox invented, that made Apple II famous and made Microsoft billions? What happened to "windows" in Windows? this kind of stubborn idiocy can only come from one powerful guy lost in his leather seat driving home from work listening to Jazz music, Mr. Steve Ballmer.

    So windows 8.1 is STILL NOT going to start in Desktop mode? those rumors will false?

    So METRO STILL WILL NOT open as a window'd software that runs apps on the side of my screen? So METRO UI is still, even after the most anticipated Windows 8.1 releaase forced to open in FULL SCREEN mode even on full powered PCs?

    METRO UI should be a software that ships within Windows that opens just like Word, Excel and its capability is to run one app at a time. The user will have the optino to make it FULL SCREEN or add it to AutoRUN so when you turn on the PC it opens up. Not a software that runs forcefully when the computer is turned on and runs FULL SCREEN by force.

    Microsoft! Come out of your bubble. Its still not too late. Make Metro UI a normal, window'd app that runs within the Desktop environment and can be made full screen if the user wants to minimized and put away. Make sure it has FULL FILE EXPLORER with open and save. And you are SET TO BURN DOWN the spy machines called  ANDROID and CHROMEBOOK once and for all.

  • I want live tiles in Windows 8.1 to have animation like ones in Windows Phone such as dissolving, spinning, flipping. It would be more dynamic. Right now, in Windows 8, live tiles just have sliding animation.

  • Sorry, but there is not enough focus on desktop improvements. Still not interested.

  • P40L0
    0 Posts

    Hello Microsoft!

    I want to talk about Surface RT, and give you some useful feedback for Windows 8.1 RT and improving your Product as best as possibile.

    The latest May Updates were great for my Surface RT!

    Although some old and new issues are still present, and I would like to report them with some new suggestions too.

    Well, let's start:

    -When I switch between open apps and I'm listening to music or audio (Music app, or Others) the sound lags and crackles for seconds before going back to normal. Many times it happens when launching intensive CPU apps like Office, and it's very annoying: please fix that;

    -After waking from Standby (after many hours) the screen fickers with horizontal black bars before going back to the normal Lockscreen. Very ugly thing to see: please fix that too;

    -Many 3D games performance are not so solid, please improve the 3D drivers and its performance;

    -I noticed that the SoC inside the Surface RT, the NVIDIA Tegra 3, is using only 4 of the 5 Cores of the SoC, and having the 5th companion core Disabled, and not only that: all the four cores are "downclocked" compared to the official Tegra 3 Specs. Please, take advantage of the full Tegra 3 capabilities (5th Companion Core and Full Clock speeds of the 4 Cores), cause Surface RT, despite is already pretty good, needs to be faster and snappier;

    -Going to Previous Page in IE10 Metro reload it and fade it for too many seconds: please, stop reloading it and just let it to be loaded back directly from the offline cache, for a faster and more fluid navigation;

    -Please, support WebGL APIs in IE;

    -Please, don't block "Torrent Clients" from the Store: they are really useful even outside the piracy area, and are totally legal;

    -Please, make a valid "Windows Movie Maker" alternative for Windows RT. It really misses a basic video editing tool, and it cannot miss it considering the Surface "producivity" feaures;

    -Please, improve "File History" including in its backups even all the System and Apps settings and personalisation (even the most advanced, like the Registry and Servicies ones), so that we can Backup and Restore the Surface even more easily. Or even better: create a "Skydrive Full Settings Backup"!

    That's all for now.

    And despite all of that, I still consider my Surface RT the best Tablet ever made, and even my best Laptop too, in one single device, and Windows 8 the best OS available yet.

    Keep up the great work!

    And Thank You. ;)

    -Paolo

  • Move more Windows features and tools to the Modern (Immersive) UI: Task Manager as well as the Control Panel.

    Also work on introducing more apps, and shared apps and experiences with Windows Phone.

  • Move more Windows features and tools to the Modern (Immersive) UI: Task Manager as well as the Control Panel.

    Also work on introducing more apps, and shared apps and experiences with Windows Phone.

  • Like many other users of Windows 8, I want the start menu back and I want to boot into the desktop screen. In fact, I have already installed classic shall, a third party solution, to fulfill those whishes. The start menu is so important, because it provides a concise overview of all programs and tools. The flexible structure with folding submenus of variable length make it very helpful.

    @Joannemullen - Thank you for making me aware of classic shell; it brought me relief.

    I don't need the start screen and its apps. Perhaps 'metro' is convenient on a computer with touch-screen function, but it is certainly not convenient if you use a mouse: Active programs should appear on the taskbar; and the taskbar should remain visible when using a program/app.

    Why did you force us to learn about start screen and apps anyway? Don't you realize that learning about them is an awful burden for users who just needed a new PC and have to resume their jobs as soon as possible?

    I like the short start-up and shut-down times of Window 8. Please preserve that feature in Windows 8.1.

  • - I checked to see if your comment got caught in our spam filter and it wasn't there. Did your comment show up? If not, try posting it again. Sorry for the issues!

  • - I regularly connect my Windows 8 PCs to a 42" HD display in my office and don't see what you describe. I suggest maybe posting about your rendering issues on the Microsoft Community forums as someone might be able to help you troubleshoot and correct this issue with your large displays. answers.microsoft.com/.../windows

  • Thank Heavens, the Start Button will make a comeback! :)

  • Darren2
    0 Posts

    Before you transmit any of my local search requests into the World Wide Web why can´t you even get it done that I can sync my Windows Phone 8 smartphone over wifi with my local Windows 8 computer? Microsoft you fail in so many ways.

  • I'm still unclear EXACTLY what this means for desktop users but it's painfully obvious what's needed.

    The VAST majority of desktop users (i.e. the vast majority of your customers) have zero interest in learning a new way of doing the same stuff they've been doing for 15 years.  Forcing them to try to use a mouse on an interface obviously meant for a small touch screen is ridiculous.  I'd say the dismal failure of Windows 8 speaks volumes for how well you met that need.  You guys killed PC sales all by yourselves.  Congratulations.

    You need an EASY migration for the average desktop user.  A no-brainer migration.  A person shouldn't have to ask how to do what they've always done.  It must be intuitively obvious.  

    Windows 8 was not an easy migration.  It wasn't a migration in any real sense at all.  More an abdication.

    This almost certainly means you need a start button and something like a recognisable traditional desktop.

    Basically, if you have something like a start button with menu, and something like boot to a rational desktop for non-touch enabled devices, it will be a success even if it does nothing else.

    If you do NOT have something like a start button+menu with something like boot to a rational desktop for non-touch enabled devices this will be yet ANOTHER dismal failure no matter what else you do.  All you'll accomplish is accelerate the move to non-Microsoft devices.

    It all hinges on the desktop user.  You have to support them much better then Windows 8 or forget it.

    Because if you continue down the Windows 8 path for the desktop, Microsoft is going to become a synonym for clueless.

    Remember that the reason an action is bold, is that it sometimes backfies horribly.  Success is not assured.  That's what's happening with Windows 8.

  • Agosto
    0 Posts

    Another suggestion, include Zune's Podcast library as an extention for Xbox Music, I really want this feature to be native, it will enable so much for real power-users.

  • fansoft
    0 Posts

    the only app YOU write is the windows-die-hard-app

  • Darren2
    0 Posts

    Why is it so hard for Microsoft to have:

    - Bing Picutres as changing lock screen/background?

    - Use music uploaded to Skydrive in the Music app?

    Microsoft, you are not getting the most trivial things right at the moment.

  • Somewhere I read that the original in Windows 8 was planned to add more icons and clock on the Start screen, but this idea was didn't realized. Please add this feature in Blue (screenshot for example: http://sdrv.ms/ZqHamh).

  • Mr. Leblond notes:  "Windows 8 was built on the reality that the lines between our work and personal lives have blurred."  Well, not only has our work and lives blurred in Windows 8, Microsoft has managed to blur the fonts as well rendering Win 8 virtually useless for those using large monitors for IE10 and other programs where high def is expected but low def is delivered.

  • Darren2
    0 Posts

    It is really weird to see how much trouble Microsoft has listening and understanding their customers. For Windows 8 you have chosen to completely ignore your customers and their criticism. Now you have to roll back. And again although you are stating you are listening to your customers, you are ridiculing yourself by implementing a start button without a start menu. Are you really serious Microsoft?

    Of course: Windows 8.1 is what Windos 8 should have been. There are several fixes that makes the transition between Desktop and Metro smoother. Thats good. But then again you chose to add some sort of functionality that makes me wonder: Instead of simply improving the local search you chose to kill it.

    If I understand correctly: Every local search I do will be transmitted to Bing and Bing will shoe relevant results.

    So if I search my porn collection for that "hot naked chick with huge tits" this will be transmitted to Bing along with my IP? Are you really serious Microsoft? ARE YOU REALLY SERIOUS MICROSOFT?????????

    I cant help the feeling that you WANT to make Windows die. I cannot see any other reason why you would make these kind of decisions. Do you really believe I want to transmit to Bing when I search my harddrive for my personal medical record? Do you beleive I want to transmit to Bing searching for a picture of my kids? Do you really believe I want to transmit to Bing every time I am searching for a private movie, a private letter oder a private document? This is insane.

    So Microsoft I am urging you: Do not pretend listening to your caustomers if you are actually not. But if you listen, then listen carefully and make the requested changes. And if you plan to incorporate a new feature make it an option, not a must.

  • Darren2
    0 Posts

    It is really weird to see how much trouble Microsoft has listening and understanding their customers. For Windows 8 you have chosen to completely ignore your customers and their criticism. Now you have to roll back. And again although you are stating you are listening to your customers, you are ridiculing yourself by implementing a start button without a start menu. Are you really serious Microsoft?

    Of course: Windows 8.1 is what Windos 8 should have been. There are several fixes that makes the transition between Desktop and Metro smoother. Thats good. But then again you chose to add some sort of functionality that makes me wonder: Instead of simply improving the local search you chose to kill it.

    If I understand correctly: Every local search I do will be transmitted to Bing and Bing will shoe relevant results.

    So if I search my porn collection for that "hot naked chick with huge tits" this will be transmitted to Bing along with my IP? Are you really serious Microsoft? ARE YOU REALLY SERIOUS MICROSOFT?????????

    I cant help the feeling that you WANT to make Windows die. I cannot see any other reason why you would make these kind of decisions. Do you really believe I want to transmit to Bing when I search my harddrive for my personal medical record? Do you beleive I want to transmit to Bing searching for a picture of my kids? Do you really believe I want to transmit to Bing every time I am searching for a private movie, a private letter oder a private document? This is insane.

    So Microsoft I am urging you: Do not pretend listening to your caustomers if you are actually not. But if you listen, then listen carefully and make the requested changes. And if you plan to incorporate a new feature make it an option, not a must.

  • Windows 8 introduced the 'Charms' that are an easier faster way for sharing, searching, and media streaming right from any app.

    But there are so many devices that should be able to benefit from this charms, mainly for copying files or direct syncing options.

    The 'Devices' charm provides commands for printing documents or pictures, as well as second screen views and projections. But it's lacking the ability to copy or transfer files into connected devices! For instance, if I wish to copy a picture or a music track into mu USB flash drive, I have to do that via Windows Explorer. While it's easy and familiar to do so, but it would be much easier if I could just send the selected file(s) via Devices charm.

    Also it would be too much easier if Windows Phone (7.8, 8) is able to directly receive and sync files via Devices charm, with no need for a dedicated companion app.

    I really enjoyed Xbox Music app, but I wish to customize the now playing visualizations by choosing the album cover to be displayed.

    Also I wish to be able to directly share to Windows Phone (7.5, 7.8, 8) without the need of a companion (guys you are the owners of Windows Phone :O it's ridiculous to use companions for products of the same company); also being able to view and manage music stored in Windows Phone.

    And being able to rate the music (similar to Zune like and dislike options), and being able to edit music files info right from music app, not from file explorer or media player.

  • what i want to know is with all these updates will we ever see one for Windows Media Player, i mean that and Internet Explorer should of been metrofied by now in a way that is still done nicely on the desktop. Also why haven't Windows Media Center been metrofied yet either

  • Cool. This is nice news!

  • Very much look forward to this update, but Microsoft needs to be doing more to deliver more quality first party apps. Windows 8 is still missing crucial apps consumers need, and so far nothing is being done about it. Where's Facebook? Where's LinkedIn? Where's Office?

    Is there anyone home here, maybe the Windows Phone team needs to come over and the Windows team how to get things done?

  • jak i kiedy będzie można zaktualizować Windowsa 8 na Windows 8.1 (Blue) ?

  • Alan_G
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    The fundamental strengths and problems of the modern UI stem from the fact that it's designed for consumers, not for getting work done. That's inherent in the tablet environment. Ever since the iPad took the consumer space by storm, tablets have been 99% consumer, 1% producer. What's clear is that *for Windows*, what works in the market is what works for producers.

    Let's take XP as a baseline. On the desktop, Vista was a step backwards in productivity, and a failure in the marketplace. UAC wasn't the problem in and of itself; OS X has long required the user to type a password for the exactly the same functions, but nobody complains about that. Win7 was a big step forward in productivity, with many features and shortcuts that helped users get work done more quickly and easily. It was a big success in the marketplace.

    Win8 is a step (some would say "a giant leap") backwards in productivity for people who use only desktop applications (which includes everyone who has to get actual work done in Windows). Almost anything involving the desktop requires more clicks, more mouse travel and more jumping through hoops than in Win7. I won't go into details because other folks have done that adequately in these comments.That counter-productivity is why enterprise, business and power users are complaining. Based on Windows history, then, Microsoft will not make Win8 a success by tweaking it, no matter what the telemetry says.

    The inherent flaw in depending on telemetry, as Microsoft does, to tell you what's working or not is that the data are skewed heavily to the technology-challenged (the majority of users, even in the SMB and enterprise environments). Any marketer can tell you that these are not the influencers or opinion leaders. In the second, the first purpose of Windows is to enable productivity: defeat that, and you defeat the whole point of Windows. (The Office ribbon experience is a good case in point. Content producers, for the most part, avoided Office 2007 because it got in the way more than it helped get the work done.)

    The market has voted pretty convincingly on Win8, I think. It's all very well to say, "The response to Windows 8 has been substantial," but very few people are going to be fooled into thinking that "substantial" means "enthusiastic."

    There is no way to make the current Start screen one-tenth as productive as the Start menu. Without app folders, without a *fast* way to rearrange tiles *with a mouse or touchpad*, the several-screens-wide Start "screen" is counter-productive. I don't dislike the modern UI on a tablet device, although it is seriously hampered by lack of a way to group associated apps (and files) into folders. But as someone who works exclusively in desktop apps and has no use whatsoever for "modern" apps, I found it essential to install a start menu (n.b., "start menu," not just "start button") replacement. I have yet to meet a business user who prefers Win8 or is even willing to switch.

    We are a long way from being able to perform all of our production tasks on a touch screen. Even in my own field of graphic design, I don't see touch screens without pressure-sensitivity (as opposed to Wacom's Cintiq line of graphics screens) being very useful any time soon. Until one can type or draw as fast and accurately on a screen as one can on a keyboard, that will remain true.

  • noel_castellanos  you can et in the app store when it's released.

  • I left a comment a couple of days ago and I would like to know at least why it was not posted.

    Thank you

  • I don't know of feedback works here...but Microsoft, can you change the way the animation effect currently works when you open APPS in windows 8?? Instead of the twirling effect, maybe it could be a bit more sophisticated like the way apple apps open, maybe the way internet explorer 10 opens on the desktop......

  • casaout
    1 Posts

    I love Windows 8 and the improvements that we are going to enjoy in Windows 8.1. But for Windows RT I have two desperate wishes: Outlook and the (native) Skydrive Sync Client. Those two programs are killer programs to me (as the   mail, calendar and people apps offer not all the features (like categories, tasks, etc). Please offer those programs!!

  • Is this their replacement for Service Packs? Bullshit, it's exactly the same thing!

  • When will be the download available and can i update through the "windows update" ?

  • tsaulic
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    This update is long overdue!!! And doesn't even cover everything that is wrong with this terrible iteration of the OS.

    I have decided to give Windows 8 a go after a while since it's released since I had some terrible issues with Visual Studio 2010 and couldn't get it to work anymore (even with social.MSDN help). I am not too happy about how it looks/functions (talking only about UI functionality). It's atrocious. I really miss my Windows 7 and I am going back to it until Windows 8 is back to what I want in a Windows OS - a desktop OS with a start button, not silly full-screen metro crap and normal applications available for it. Seriously, new Skype is god awful, the apps are really annoying to work with in terms of user experience. Removing the start button was a colossal mistake in my opinion, and if I didn't have to use Windows, I probably never would, but that's not the reality.

    Other than Windows, I use Linux and OS X at home and both provide a MUCH better user experience  than Windows 8. Bear in mind, Windows 7 is amazing and I love it. I look forward to installing it again tonight.

    I also want to say that in terms of performance Windows 8 is really superb. Everything works fast and there's no hiccups whatsoever for me. So props to the technical team... as usual, programmers deliver, but SILLY design people and business people want something special and ruin a perfectly good product. I was never against Microsoft, but I think you're taking the wrong path now. Windows 7 for me!!!

  • It will be a free update

  • It's comforting to know that somebody at Micro$oft finally realized that corporate workstations aren't touchscreens - what a revelation. I was wondering how long you guys would disenfranchise all desktop PC users in favor of a "new vision for the future" which, anybody could have told you, was an errant vision. Welcome to the real world. I still won't ever purchase Windows 8. Ever.

  • to my I would like to continue with my bar that is. not having again windows 7 start button. It is somewhat useless for those who pay the product and we got used.

  • improvements seem good... but many of us that we become accustomed to the start of windows 8, it should be optional to have the Start button in the taskbar of your desktop. I do not I would like to have something totally useless as that button, when I already got used to go to the lower left corner and enter the menu. that said button who on a whim and asked it make.

  • correct the color of the text of the Windows. It is impossible to put black borders because the letters are not displayed.

  • dynorex
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    This may be a the design "flaw" of this update. It has a lot of people thinking it is going to enhance the desktop experience, IE: a start button. It is like a tired coffee house debate. Windows 8 designers should stop being childish and bring back the start button properly instead of treating desktop users like second class Microsoft citizens. The start screen is great for touch screen, but is extremely clunky when using a mouse. The experience of the start screen just is not there for people using the mouse.

  • Love Windows 8 so far, it's a shame the update is about 6 months old.

    I'm glad that you're updating internet explorer, One doe's hope that you fix the issue 'Internet Explorer has stopped working/interacting with Windows.

    Somewhat Impressed with #XBOXONE  shame it's late Microsoft had this technology year's ago...

    Don't bring back the start menu there is no need for it, the start screen is much better and is the new start button, why go back to the bad days of Windows Vista and Windows 7.

    One does hope with this update Microsoft and there game company's that they work with can use Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 as a brand new way to create the Awesome games with amazing graphics.

    I hope Microsoft Will be the first company to invent the first powered windows Touch screen TV with an operating system Windows 9 or Windows Blue.

    Now that would be awesome...

    Thanks for sticking with us #Microsoft #Office2013 #Windows #xboxlive

  • KLJay
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    These are what I advise for the Windows 8.1 improvement:

    - Desktop apps and Windows 8 apps is integrated in one taskbar and this taskbar is located on bottom like ordinary desktop taskbar (unlike in Windows 8: When running, Windows 8 apps is located in the left side taskbar and desktop apps are located in desktop taskbar, it is a little bit confusing to switch between apps). So, there is a line that would separate Windows 8 apps and desktop apps in this new taskbar.

    - Windows start screen is available in full mode (normal) and snap-like mode (like start menu). When in full mode the live tiles is enabled and in snap-like mode, Windows 8 apps and desktop apps are changed into folder view/tiny tile. Because Start Screen is covering any running apps and we can't get control of apps that are running.

    - Windows 8 apps should have window controlling, such as close, snap, minimize in the upper right corner. It makes desktop users work easier in Windows 8.

    - Give the Modern UI in desktop. It is more windows 8. Give the taskbar solid black color.

    - PC setting should has more setting, if necessary delete the control panel. Now, we have two setting program in this OS. It is confusing. So, all setting are centered in PC Setting.

    Thanks, that's just advice.

  • Agosto
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    Another missing feature I'd like to suggest:

    A ''Scan with Windows Defender'' option, I really miss that, on my Windows XP-, Windows Vista-

    and Windows 7-devices this was one of the handiest options Microsoft Security Essentials had

    to offer, I don't want to scan MY ENTIRE COMPUTER if I want to check if a small file/folder contains

    malware (a virus, spyware or anything), please add this ''missing feature''.

  • surfeur
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    bonjour, nous allons être averti comment de la date de la mise à jours, quelles précautions seront à prendre ?

    bonne journée à tous

  • surfeur
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    bonjour, nous allons être averti comment de la date de la mise à jours, quelles précautions seront à prendre ?

    bonne journée à tous

  • ab wann gibt zum downloaden win 8.1

  • Pareet
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    Why oh why can you not send email in the mail app to contact groups - the mail or people app do not show any of my contact groups that are in my Hotmail/Outlook?????  This is such a basic feature I can't believe this isn't present in the apps!!!!!!!  Please introduce asap

  • Kindly place Back-Forward and Up buttons to the right side of the window and search to the left side in File Explorer window or allow users to arrange these buttons and search box  where they want to place them.

    As most of users are right handers and having pointer always present in the righter half of the screen, moving it to the left to click those buttons is a very annoying task.

    Thanks.

  • gsharp
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    Please release also some introduction videos, explaining all the "moves" directly into the OS.