Post PDC Keynote: What are people saying about Windows 7?

Post PDC Keynote: What are people saying about Windows 7?

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I thought it might be nice to do a little round-up of what folks are saying about Windows 7 after today’s keynote here at the PDC in Los Angeles. I’d like to share some of the best ones we’ve found so far. We’re not trying to “toot” our own horn here – many of these folks are extremely critical of what we do with Windows so what they say is very important to us.

This is what Ed Bott from ZDNet had to say:

This loaner machine certainly doesn’t feel like it’s running pre-beta code. It’s wicked fast and eerily quiet thanks to a solid state drive. In a very long day’s worth of use it has yet to crash or display any of the flaky behavior you might expect from a beta.

Ed, it was a pleasure seeing you again at PDC!

Peter Bright at ArsTechnica says:

Windows 7 may not change much under the hood, but the extent of these interface changes makes it clear that this is very much a major release.

That was from Peter’s post that has enjoyed the top spot on Techmeme today for most of the day.

Lance Ulanoff from PC Magazine says:

It (MSFT) ignored the advice of dozens of pundits and is now playing out a script that, in the end, could make the company look like a band of geniuses.

Paul Thurrott says:

Well, let me ruin the surprise up front. Windows 7 is Windows Vista done right. If you're already a fan of Windows Vista, you'll love Windows 7 because it's a better rendition of that earlier OS. If you're a Vista hater, take heart: The makers of Windows 7 have reevaluated virtually everything about Vista and made changes small and large across the board. The result is a better Windows, no matter how you slice it.

Today was Paul’s birthday - at least according to his Windows Live profile. Happy birthday Paul! Paul has been doing “exhaustive” reviews of Windows for a while now.

Jason Brooks from eWeek says:

In the day and a half I’ve spent using Windows 7 on a Microsoft-provided Dell XPS M1330 machine preinstalled with Build 6801 of the OS, I’ve found its polish and performance a world away from the first Longhorn build I tried out at PDC 2003. At this point, Windows 7 feels more like a second beta or an early release candidate than a developer conference sneak peek.

Andre Da Costa from ActiveWin says:

It’s safe to say I am overwhelmed, overjoyed and most of all excited about Windows 7. This is the release of Windows everybody has been waiting for, it’s what Vista was meant to be and beyond that. Windows 7 puts the user first… This is an upgrade I am looking forward to and you should too.

Robert McLaws from Windows-Now says:

The Sunday before PDC, I was given the opportunity to join about 200 other journalists for a workshop on Windows 7. Lead by the dynamic (as well as unusually candid and often very self-effacing) duo of Mike Nash and Steven Sinofsky (surprisingly enough, he didn’t try to have me killed… sweet!), we were given a six hour tour of the much anticipated follow-up to Windows Vista. I didn’t know what to expect, and I walked away with the feeling I got after seeing Longhorn for the first time. yes, I believe it was just that good.

Both Windows-Now and ActiveWin are Windows Featured Community members.

Wilson Rothman from Gizmodo says:

…even the early build of Windows 7 feels like a fast, stable environment. There's a lot going on behind the scenes to make the OS more usable, one monumental improvement being how video memory is allocated for unseen windows. (Hint: It's not.) The result is a highly responsive machine that gets decent battery life.

Now that folks have the Pre-Beta build of Windows 7 and with WinHEC coming up – we expect to see ever more discussion from folks on putting Windows 7 to the test.

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  • Duane Duane
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    @Joseph

    winsxs is 4 gig on my system.

  • Duane Duane
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    I only wonder:  Will windows 7 feature the 8GB winsxs folder, like windows Vista?

  • Hopefully Windows 7 will improve upon the Windows Experience.  If it can really run on Netbooks as rumor suggests, hopefully that is confirmation that it is leaner and faster than Vista on a default install which should be good.

    Ed Bott is a lucky guy, getting a loaner machine, and getting to play with all the cool new stuff at PDC.  Cant wait for the public beta of Windows 7.

    Hopefully it will be a incremental improvement that just works like Win98SE!

  • After using Windows for several days it is Vista improved, but it is still Vista.  Windows 7 still carries on the locking up of the UI, can't move the menu, address bar, tool bar, this stance started with Vista/Longhorn ver 4074 and carries on to this day. Four years of the same complaints and still no end in sight.....  I'm not being negative here I'm just stating a simple fact. Microsoft still has not given back that aspect, IE 8 is the same.  I would just like to know why?  For the life of me I can't figure out how it would undermine Microsoft or Windows or even IE 7 or 8 to give back that ability. Over in the IE 8 blog the state that only 20% of the users move the tool bars around.  Only 20%? If Microsoft stock dropped 20% they be having kittens, If they cut Steve Ballmer's pay by 20% I think he be upset.  Just going by the 88 million copies of Vista has sold let see that would be only 17.6 million users would like.... never mind  Mr Ballmer, "tear down this wall!"

  • Duane Duane
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  • Duane Duane
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    @LinuxFanBoy: Stop your crap, you're like silly Richard Stallman, who I happen to hate utterly. I don't have any problem with Linus Torvalds or Linux though, just GNU.

    --On topic--

    I'm excited about Win7, even though I had no problems with Vista, or XP, and I'm creating a site dedicated to it.

    I hope to see better context menu performance with many shell extensions as well as new UI improvements, and features like WinFS and cosmetic enhancements too. I'd like to better organize my files, with my HDD partitioning scheme as well as being able to work smoothly with my Linux (although installing Linux is a bit hard with how it partitions the drive, Windows Vista is straightforward.)

    That's it, I don't have many problems with Vista - it suits my needs.

    Oh yeah, I've got a Beta 6801 from The Pirate Bay. ;)

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    I'm going to buy myself an HP Vista-preinstalled computer for Christmas. PLEASE get together with HP, and make sure that upgrading to Windows 7 will be painless. Home computer users don't have the luxury of an IT Department to fix upgrade problems.

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    I don't know why everyone is so against Windows Vista. I built my own computer and I run Windows Vista Ultimate. It works very well and I love it. Never had a problem. However I'm looking forward to see Windows 7. When is coming out?

  • It is well appreciated that MS taken up the job of rectifying Vista problems in the form of Win7.

    Besides this, the best thing MS can do is distributing Win7 freely to the customers who purchased Vista based computers,licenses.

    In fact, MS can do another experiment on Vista customers by inviting them for another beta testing of the brand new OS.

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  • Duane Duane
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  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    Absolutely, this is what Vista should have been. Build 6801 is working like a charm, looks awsome & is just fantastic. Great job from Microsoft. Now just get it out soon so we can all get off Vista's back.

    ps. Vista is getting better & better though. The Business & Ultimate versions are like clockwork on a decent machine.

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    Para mi que es la misma mierda que windows vista

  • Duane Duane
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    I've only seen the web coverage but the new taskbar and Window handling look nice. With all the emphasis on easing navigation I wonder why the OS doesn't make it easier to manipulate documents from within the application?

    Few applications allow the current doc to be deleted, it's containing folder to be opened (without resorting to Explorer) or the current application workspace (docs) to be restored on next launch so maybe the OS should?

    See

    rcd.typepad.com/.../why-arent-these-features-standard-in-all-applications-or-windows-7.html

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    Como todo lo que hace Microsoft a mi me parece una autentica basura... A ver si dejan ya de intentar hacer monopolio y se van todos a la carcel por vender un software de mierda...

    VIVA LINUX....

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  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    yo solo espero que tenga buena compatibilidad en red con los otros windows, ya que el vista es muy tedioso

    Sobres

  • 7flavor
    352 Posts

    I just hope that the classic Start menu isn't being removed entirely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    Only thing I didn't like in Vista and that I'm seeing again in 7 is the Animated Progress Bar that loops, like this one

    i34.tinypic.com/30w9u7l.jpg

    because it doesn't display any status or says any information; and if the process is taking too long you never know if it's frozen, it has an error or it's just taking longer that you would expect.

    Other than that Win 7 is looking very good, the perfect successor for Windows XP .

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    Don't worry Likepassion, we're still a long way from seeing Windows 7 on the shelves. If Microsoft repeats history (and they can't seem to get away from it), we will see delays over and over as features are fixed or added that slow the system down and up the system requirements. The demo laptops they are handing out at this stage already have specs exceeding any servers we run at my workplace. And there will be more and more DRM-related system-breaking features that MS can't avoid putting in for their number one fans - the Hollywood lawyers. In the meantime, why don't you check out the bright side. I haven't upgraded yet, but I'm hearing really great things about the newest version of Ubuntu, and it will probably run fine on the computer you were running before you went to Vista.

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    Wonderful, so after i've trashed money to buy Vista, now i discover that MS sold me an OS just aged but paid like a new....

    So when VistaSP3...ops sorry...Win7 will go out all they have bought recently Vista like me should spent other money to pay an update mask of a new OS?

    Apple you're ever less far from my desktop...

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    This is reassuring news indeed - Paul Thurrott knows his stuff, so I'm looking forward to trying this out :)

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    Hello,

    Could I ask you to do a favor?

    PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, release power calc which was on xp power tools for win 7.

    All I want is ability to see what I've calculated before, nothing else, or integrate that to existing calc. I want clean interface, like power calc

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    Windows Vista is now a complete product in form of "Windows 7", that was actually planned for delivery. Good job Steven...Keep it up.

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    The problem with windows xp, vista and any O.S. from microsoft is that most of the existing, third party, programs have to be replaced or updated at a considerable cost. Why can't you design the O.S. so that it will be compatible with the old programs as well as the new. I hope 7 is being designed with this in mind. As a reseller this is the biggest complaint that I get from customers.

  • BuckFix
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  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    What about Burmese Language support in Windows 7? Is there any plan yet?

  • I actually obtained a copy of the pre-release and am currently testing it out. I would say this is definitely alot faster then vista for sure. There still are some compatibility issues I have found with some software. Such as OneLiveCare doesn't recognize it so it won't install among others I have found. User access control now has more features to it rather then just on or off.

    Over all I would say this is a big improvement, I also like power shell as I commonly work with unix some of the unix commands are being incorporated into that as well I have noticed.

    Overall I wish I could be a part of the beta and submit some reports. I just don't know where to apply for the Windows 7 beta. I hope it comes out soon, but I know they have alot of work to do still before it will be ready for shelves.  

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    Personally, I continue to use XP because it is great for me and i don't want to change my PCs for Vista, even if i like it very much.

    I'm very excited about windows 7, indeed i'm planning to buy a new notebook and to power up my desktop pc, and i hope it will be ready as soon as possible because is one of the most interesting microsoft operative system i've ever seen

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    Cheers guys!

    Am a hardcore Windows lover and I have no reservations against Vista...I loved it completely

    Greatly excited about Windows 7

    All the best!

  • Zod
    12 Posts

    I had the chance to test Windows 7 build 6801 and i have to say i'm impressed. Microsoft, this os is definitely going to be the "XP of the new generations" (and what Vista was meant to be). It's fast,no more latency when opening folders ect,interface improved a lot! And this doesn't even have the new taskbar which i'm looking forward to test. I really enjoyed the tweaks you made to Aero,much better now without all that black in the start menĂ¹,taskbar and in full screen. Really amazing,this time around it's getting EVEN A LOT better than XP. My congratulations for the great work you're doing to improve this OS. I really don't care about Vista anymore,e neither do a lot of other people out there who are waiting for 7. Focus on 7 and that's it,release it next year. I'd also suggest you to make some discounts for 7 to people who already own a Vista license. Thanks for hearing us,and 7 is AWESOME,leave Aero cause it totally fits better now than in Vista lol keep improving performance,i guess 7 will be the most performant SO ever made by you. One thing is for sure,it's gonna be the best!

  • 7flavor
    352 Posts

    The new taskbar is mandatory? I guess all that talk of choice and options post Vista had no effect. Microsoft is still taking decisions for users. It's not about not liking or liking the new taskbar (personally I love it), it's a matter of choice, which Microsoft last gave its users in Windows XP. Instead, give us a TweakUI and ***SO MANY USERS*** will be happy.

  • Duane Duane
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    I too am someone who is burdened by running many apps/windows at once. In addition, I waste a large amount of time just opening up all the apps/documents/windows I need to every time I want to work on a specific task.

    What would really help me is the ability to freeze and persist (aka "save state") running applications instead of having to shut them  down. Perhaps the ability to manually group a bunch of apps/windows into specific "tasks" that I can then save/hide and quickly recall at a later time would be a huge advancement.

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    Guys, there's one feature I really, really, really want returned in the next version of Windows - the ability to right click on the network icon and click "status". In Vista, as well as the current build of 7, it requires a 3-4 step process to check the IP address or to change adapter settings. Why are these things hidden from view?

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    I beta tested Vista and stayed with XP. I didn't like the UAC. A virus/firewall program with a hard-firewall router and antispyware; Vista's UAC through me into security GAG mode. I did upgrade to Office 2007 hoping they could relax a bit. I'm thinking they have - reading all about Win7. Will beta this in hopes of upgrading. Aero was excellent on Vista but like I've read, my machine became noticeably slower - can't do slower - not with 3.2g cpu & 2g ram.

    One main concern I have is - can I upgrade smoothly? Vista preformed best on my machine under fresh install - upgrading threw Vista into complete screwy mode; F'n stupid my having to reinstall everything I own. I have the sinking feeling I'll have to GAG this one down if I commit to Win7.

  • marcinw
    3 Posts

    I'm looking into screenshots and all comments. Microsoft required "a little" success. But I still I think, that some things should be improved.

    All screenshots suggest, that windows will use modified Vista interface. We will see once again Network and Sharing Center, "new" Control Panel, Vista explorer, Vista fonts, etc. etc. For me not too good, because this interface is less intuitive...

    What about technical improvements inside ?

    You're changing certification procedure for giving Windows 7 compatibility logo. Applications will have for example to uninstall all garbages from the system. What about all programs, which will be not certified ? Will you make something, which will prohibit leaving their Registry entries and files after uninstalling ? (I was writing in the Engineering Windows 7 blog about some solutions like these used in sandboxie). Additionally, what about blocking system directory for 3rd party programs ?

    WHat about filesystem ? Still NTFS ? Will at least system from the box (for example Explorer) display info, that files contain alternative streams ? (to avoid situation, that files x with 0 bytes and 10 bytes in alternative streams have 0 bytes for user)

    What about slipstreaming SP with installation medium ?

    Will you make something, which will convince OEMs not to block ability of partitioning ?

  • dovella
    303 Posts

    Windows 7 is MAGIC!!

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    I would like to know if the VB6 runtime (not the IDE) is supported in Windows 7.

  • Duane Duane
    52463 Posts

    I am glad to see all positive comments from various media than how they usually do. I guess its finally time for them to accept it.

    Looking forward for public beta to see if i can have my hand on that

  • Duane Duane
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    I'm eagerly looking to test Windows 7. btw you should also include following review in the list:

    www.askvg.com/whats-new-in-windows-7-a-small-review-with-screenshots

    Its very detailed and nicely done review.

    Kat

  • Zod
    12 Posts

    Can't wait for Windows 7,everyone wants Windows 7 lol Windows Vista is gone now...focus just on Win 7 and release it as soon as possible. I'm so much impressed so far,i want that OS now lol

  • Duane Duane
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    A large amount of purchase value lies in whether it contains "features removed from Windows Vista". While some of the removals are timely and were obsolete, other features which people used daily in Windows XP were straightaway pulled due to design changes with no equivalent functionality even in third party software. Windows 7 is certainly a significant improvement over Windows Vista but Microsoft should ask the community what features it would like to see them restore back that got removed.

  • I am with Paul Thurrot - Windows 7 is Windows Vista done right ;)