Introducing Windows 8 Consumer Preview

Introducing Windows 8 Consumer Preview

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Moments ago in Barcelona, we announced the release of Windows 8 Consumer Preview, available to download now for anyone interested in trying it out. We’ve been hard at work for many months now, and while we still have lots more to do, we’re excited to show you our progress with the latest preview of the new operating system. I’m a writer on the Windows team, and over the next few weeks, I’ll be publishing a series of posts here on the Windows Experience Blog about what you can expect to see in Windows 8, tips for navigating the new operating system, and all the great new ways to have fun and get things done in this preview of a brand new Windows.

A reimagined Windows

With Windows 8, the whole experience of Windows has been reimagined. It’s designed to work on a wide range of devices , from touch-enabled tablets, to laptops, to desktops and all-in-ones. We’ve designed Windows 8 to give you instant access to your apps, your files, and the information you care about most so you can spend less time navigating and more time doing what you actually want to do. You can move between Windows 8 PCs easily and access your files and settings from virtually anywhere. We’ve made touch a first-class experience and navigating with a mouse and keyboard fast and fluid. And just like Windows 7, reliability and security features are built in. It’s the best of Windows 7, made even better.

Some things you should know before installing Windows 8 Consumer Preview

Before you start the download, there are a few things to keep in mind.

First, this is a prerelease operating system

The Windows 8 Consumer Preview is just that: a preview of what’s to come. It represents a work in progress, and some things will change before the final release. This means you’ll encounter some hiccups and bugs. One of the great things about widely releasing a preview like this is that it gives us a chance to get a lot of feedback through telemetry, forums, and blog posts on where we can smooth out some of the rough edges.

Second, you should be pretty comfortable with new technology

If you’re used to running prerelease (beta) software, you’re OK with a little troubleshooting, and you don’t mind doing a few technical tasks here and there, then you’ll probably be OK giving the Windows 8 Consumer Preview a spin. If a list of hardware specs is a little overwhelming for you, or you’re not sure what you’d do if something unexpected happened, this might not be the time to dive in.

As with pre-release software in general, there won’t be official support for the Windows 8 Consumer Preview, but if you have problems, please share them with us. You can post a detailed explanation of any issues you run into at the Windows 8 Consumer Preview forum. We’ll be able to look at your input, and you might find some help from other members of the community who have seen the same issues you’ve found. In addition, the Windows 8 Consumer Preview FAQ on the Windows website has information that could help you out and make the Windows 8 experience more productive and enjoyable.

And finally, you’ll need the right hardware

Windows 8 Consumer Preview should run on the same hardware that powers Windows 7 today. In general, you can expect Windows 8 Consumer Preview to run on a PC with the following:

  • 1 GHz or faster processor
  • 1 GB RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)
  • 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
  • DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver
  • 1024 x 768 minimum screen resolution

However, there are some additional requirements to take into consideration in order to use certain features in Windows 8. In order to use the Snap feature, you will need a PC with a 1366x768 resolution or higher. If you want to use touch, you’ll need a multitouch-capable laptop, tablet, or display. Windows 8 supports at least five simultaneous touch points, so if your hardware doesn’t, you may find typing on the onscreen keyboard and using certain controls more of a challenge. You’ll also need an internet connection to try out the Windows Store, to download and install apps, and to take your settings and files with you from one Windows 8 PC to another.

For some more information on hardware requirements, check out this post on the Building Windows 8 blog. Also, the Windows Hardware Team tells me they plan on updating the Microsoft Touch Mouse for Windows 8. You can read their announcement and more info on using Microsoft Hardware mice and keyboards with Windows 8 in this blog post.

If you’ve read all of that, and you’re ready to give it a try, then let’s go!

The beginning

It starts with the new Start screen.


This is where you’ll first see how we’ve reimagined the Windows experience. If you’ve seen what we’ve done with Windows Phone, this might look familiar. From the Start screen you can launch apps, switch between tasks, share content, and check notifications. The tiles show real-time updates—news, sports, and what your friends are up to. You can check your schedule or get the latest weather forecast without searching for information—no need to open an app to see your next appointment or find out if you have any new email. This design style is great on a phone for getting you to the content you want easily and quickly, and extended to the whole screen of a PC, it’s even better.

You can customize this screen to put all of the information you care about in one place, such as the weather, websites, playlists, and your contacts. Your favorite apps are always front and center. Because you decide how to organize and group things on the Start screen, viewing and interacting with content is faster than ever.

Start screen tiles - Weather tile with live update

Move easily between PCs, courtesy of the cloud

When you use the cloud to store your information, it doesn’t matter where you’re sitting or what device you’re using. Your music, photos, files, contacts, and settings aren’t stored on one device, they’re in one place: the cloud. I like to write, and I’m not always in the same place when I do it. With a Microsoft account, I can start a project on one Windows 8 PC and finish it on another.

When you sign in to a Windows 8 PC with your Microsoft account, you're immediately connected to all of your people, files, and settings, including themes, language preferences, and browser favorites. You can connect your favorite cloud services to your Microsoft account, too—services like Hotmail, SkyDrive, Facebook, LinkedIn, and Twitter. And you can immediately get to your photos, docs, and other files, whether they’re on SkyDrive, Facebook, or Flickr. When you sign in, even a brand new Windows 8 PC will have access to your files and settings. And if you share your Windows 8 PC, anyone else can have their own personalized, cloud-connected experience by signing in with their Microsoft account.

Type and click, or swipe and tap

With new touch-based PCs, the things you do with a mouse and keyboard are now easy to do with touch, too. If you’ve gotten used to touch with a smartphone or tablet, you’ll feel right at home in Windows 8. You can switch between apps, organize your Start screen, and pan and zoom to really fly through the things you want to do.

Windows 8 is a full-featured PC operating system designed from the start with touch in mind. But if you type long blog posts like this one, do precise work like graphic design, or even play first-person shooter games, you probably want to use a mouse and keyboard as well. When I’m not using touch, I use my keyboard for everything, so I’m happy that Windows 8 has kept mouse and keyboard as first-class citizens. People work in different ways, and Windows 8 adapts accordingly.

Charms let you work faster

In Windows 8, we’ve built new, fast ways to get around the operating system and do common tasks. They’re called charms. Swipe in from the right edge of the screen or move your mouse to the upper-right corner, and the charms bar appears (you can also use the Windows key + C). The charms are the quickest way to navigate to key tasks in Windows 8. You can go to the Start screen, or use the charms for quick shortcuts to common tasks.

Charms appear on the right side of the screen


Just like in Windows 7, with Windows 8, you can easily search for apps, settings, or files on your PC. And with the Search charm, searching now goes even deeper. You can search within apps and on the web, so you can find a specific email quickly in the Mail app, or see what a friend has put on Facebook using the People app. You can also get search results from within apps right from the Start screen. If the info you need is on the web, just choose Internet Explorer in your search results, and Search brings the results right to you. Apps designed specifically for Windows 8 can use the Search charm easily, so as you install more apps, you can find movie reviews or show times, opinions on restaurants, or even stock prices (just to name a few), without having to hunt around. If you’re using a keyboard, you can also search right from the Start screen – just start typing, and the results will appear. You can filter results to view apps or settings, or to search within individual apps.

The Search charm lets you search within apps like Internet Explorer


When I read something great on the web or see a picture that makes me laugh, I like to pass it on. The Share charm makes it incredibly easy. And just like with Search, apps can hook into Share easily, so you don’t have to jump in and out of an app to share great content. You can quickly send wise words with the Mail app or share a great photo on SkyDrive. The apps you use most often are listed first for quick access, and you can choose whether to share with just one person, or with all of your contacts at once.

Sharing the Windows Phone website via Mail with the Share charm


The Devices charm lets you get to the devices you want to use so you can do things like getting photos from a digital camera, streaming video to your TV, or sending files to a device, all from one place. For example, if you’re watching a movie in the Video app and want to share it with everyone in room, the Devices charm lets you stream a video right to your Xbox to show it on your TV.


The Settings charm is the place to go for basic tasks like setting the volume or shutting down your PC. When you’re in an app, the Settings charm takes you to settings for that app, so you can set up email accounts, select options for sound and video, or choose a control setup for games. The Settings charm can also take you right to your PC settings so you can change themes, set up sharing with HomeGroup, or use Windows Update.

Switching apps and snapping

If you’re using touch, just swipe in from the left edge to go back to your last app, or keep swiping to go back through several apps. If you’re using a mouse, just move it to the upper-left corner to see your last app. You can also move your mouse down from the corner to see more recently used apps. Or you can try one of my favorite features: swipe in from the left, and then slide your last app out to the left or right side of the screen to snap it in place. Perfect for keeping your music controls up while you work, or keeping an eye on Twitter while you play a game.

Weather snapped to the left, browser on the right

Get apps from the Windows Store

So where do you go to get all these great apps? With the new Windows Store, you’ll be able to discover a variety of apps, all grouped in easy-to-find categories. We highlight apps we love, provide quick access to frequently downloaded, high-quality apps, and show you how other people have rated apps. This morning, we announced the winners of our Windows 8 First Apps Contest, and you can download all of these in the Store today.

All of the apps you’ll see in the Store for Windows 8 Consumer Preview are free. Later, there will also be lots of apps that you can buy. You’ll be able to try many apps before you buy, and if you like one you’re trying, you can get the full version without losing your place or reinstalling anything. The Store will also offer available updates for the apps you already have.

When you install the Windows 8 Consumer Preview, you’ll have several great apps already. These app previews also represent work in progress, but they’ll give you a great feel for what you can do with Windows 8 and how well apps can work together. The Weather, Finance, and Maps apps are all powered by Bing. Check out this post from the Bing team about the great work they’re doing for Windows 8. And our friends in Xbox have made a few great apps as well. The Xbox LIVE Games, Video, Music and Xbox LIVE Companion apps are previews of what’s to come. Major Nelson published a blog post today about what the Xbox team is up to. Definitely worth having a look.

Internet Explorer is new, too

With Internet Explorer 10 Consumer Preview, we’ve reimagined what a great web experience can look like. Internet Explorer is designed to dedicate your entire screen, edge to edge, to your websites. Websites extend over your whole screen, and tabs and navigation controls appear only when you need them and then quietly get out of the way when you don’t. Browsing is as easy as using the rest of Windows. With Internet Explorer 10, the web is crazy fast. Everything you want to do on the web is a swipe or tap away, and it uses hardware acceleration, modern browser standards like HTML5, and the quick core of Windows to make browsing fast and fluid.

With Internet Explorer 10, websites are front and center

A safer web experience

Internet Explorer is a leader in protection against malware and phishing, and it will help keep you more secure when browsing the web. SmartScreen Filter identifies scams and sites that are known to be malicious and warns you when your security might be threatened. And the privacy controls in Tracking give you choice and better control over where your personal info goes on the web.

Get a fresh start

No one likes to have computer problems, but sometimes things go wrong. With new options to refresh your PC, Windows 8 makes it simple to go back to a fresh installation of Windows without losing your personal files or settings, or any apps you’ve installed from the Windows Store. You don’t have to get out an installation disc or burn DVDs to back up your photos, videos, or music. Just start the process, and Windows will do all the work and get you back in action.

Keep your PC more secure

Windows Defender in Windows 8 provides anti-malware protection to monitor and help protect your PC against viruses and other malware in real time. If your PC becomes infected, Defender will automatically detect and attempt to remove the malware so your PC stays up and running. And if you have other antimalware or antivirus software you want to use, Windows Defender will back off quietly, so you can use the option you like best.

The Desktop is still around, and it still runs all of your apps

We’ve had a lot of fun reimagining how Windows looks and behaves, but we’ve been careful to stay true to the core features that have made Windows great for decades now. The familiar Windows desktop is still around, and we’ve made improvements to make it better than ever. We’ve added easy access to networking features, file management, and search with the ribbon. We’ve updated Task Manager and improved Control Panel. All the stuff you know is still here.

The Desktop still runs familiar apps

You can work with your mouse and keyboard, pin apps to the Windows Taskbar, and right-click to get to everything you’re used to. (To get back to the Start screen, just move your mouse to the lower-left corner of the screen, or press the Windows key on your keyboard.) Most importantly, if you install the Windows 8 Consumer Preview on your laptop or home office PC (or any other x86-based PC), you won’t have to retire all of the desktop apps you like to use, so if you have games you like to play, or you use Microsoft Office to get things done, you can still do it all in Windows 8.

Here’s a look at Windows 8 Consumer Preview in action from Jensen Harris, Director of Program Management for User Experience on the Windows Team.

Windows 8 Consumer Preview for developers and IT pros

If you’re a developer and your app isn’t in the Store today, now is the time to start building apps. The Windows Dev Center provides you with free developer and design tools, code samples, technical docs, and expert help from the community so you can get started on getting your apps out worldwide with the Windows Store. Once you’re running the Consumer Preview, download Visual Studio 11 Express Beta – your free tool to get started building Metro style apps. It includes the Windows 8 SDK, Metro style templates and easy access to Windows 8 APIs. Also take a look at the Windows 8 Developer guide for an in-depth look at powerful new options for developers.

If you’re an IT pro, visit the Springboard Series for Windows 8 on TechNet learn about Enterprise key features. Start with Explore Windows 8, your one-page guide to technical overviews and frequently asked questions about AppLocker, BitLocker, Client Hyper-V, DirectAccess, hardware device management, the Windows Store, Windows To Go, and more. If you need support to help you test and evaluate Windows 8, make sure to visit the Windows 8 Consumer Preview IT Pro Forums on TechNet.

Much, much more to come

If I went into detail about every new feature and improvement we’ve put into the Windows 8 Consumer Preview in this post, you’d never actually get around to trying it out yourself. So stay tuned over the next few weeks as I go into more depth about some of the cool things we’ve done. In the meantime, go ahead and give Windows 8 a try, and play with the apps that are included. Remember, the Windows 8 Consumer Preview forum and the Windows 8 Consumer Preview FAQ can give you help, as well as a place to leave feedback. I’d love to hear your thoughts on what you see, too, so you can leave comments here as well. We hope you enjoy the new Windows!

Kent Walter
Windows Team


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  • Girli
    0 Posts

    For people over 60 this is the most complicated thing to understand. I work with older people and when they get a new lap top they have no idea how to use it.

    You might think this great new tecnology is super but it just confuses the older generation.

    I forgot, you really did'nt make it for the older generation did you..

  • searlj
    1 Posts

    Late to this blog.  I downloaded 8 early on for loading onto my dell tablet as the XP tablet edition and Win7 did not work so well on it.  Made a bootable Flash drive too but it seemed to have a issue with the media which I fought with for a couple of weeks and decide it was a Dell issue.   I finally got around to loading it onto the Dell via CD.  This went smoothly but slow.  I did utilize the Hotmail/Live cloud base account process.  This seems to have its ups and downs.  When using hotmail via IE this is very convenient but the the included metro app seems unfinished as it tries to be too efficient with the screen space probably to better relate to the phone OS.  Did not see a way to keep the sidebar with inbox , sent, etc on the screen.  I have installed teamviewer version 6.x firefox and goggle chrome.  All three seem to run at comparable speeds.

  • Can you imagine this? ! I have just received a Windows 8 key with only $50 at – world of software. After installation, I was very excited about all of the features it has such as     Amazing touch-centric User Interface,    Enhanced Copy Experience,    Native USB 3.0 Support,   Better Support for Multiple Monitors,    Two Touch Keyboards. At the moment, still has many offers for Windows 8 customer. A long side with buying a cheapest key on the market, you also have the opportunity to receive discount couppon up to 30% to buy many items such as key for Microsoft Office 2011 for Mac, Adobe Photoshop CS6, Windows 7 Ultimate and so on

  • This is incredible, unique and diverse thumbs_up windows, its the future

  • I've been using Windows Preview since it was first made available.  I gotta say, I'm not all that excited about it.  The problem is that if you're not interested in Metro, then there's not much else to look forward to in the regular Windows Desktop.  Windows 8 is working pretty well on my tablet PC, but again I'm not finding anything to be impressed about.  I wish Microsoft hadn't put 99% of their effort into Metro.  I wish they'd taken a more balanced approach like Apple did with Mountain Lion.  I like that Apple has paid attention to small details in making all of these keyboard shortcuts for everyday common things.  Key commands are customizable so I could change them to better key commands.  That's what really makes like easy for people who are focused on productivity.  There's a ton of silly new stuff in Apple, but all of it can be launched like launching other programs.  None of it becomes the first thing you see when you boot up the computer the way Metro does.  

    If Microsoft doesn't do anything else, they need to at least make Metro a program that you have to purposely launch.  Currently, I boot up my PC, get to the Metro screen, the as fast as possible I hide it so I can get to the "real" desktop and get to work.

    The Windows Key was always annoying.  Accidentally hit that key while trying hard to avoid it and the Alt key while trying to do a keyboard shortcut while in a program, and you get a pop up menu that interrupts your workflow.  Hit that Windows key by accident now and the disruption is far worse.  Now the "pop up menu" covers the entire screen.  In my angry haste to get rid of it, I sometimes hit the Windows key twice more which minimizes it, then brings it right back.  After doing that a few times, I feel like punching the screen.  It makes me wonder if the people who make this stuff actually use it.

    There are some critical things about Windows that keep me using Windows.  Backwards compatibility, access to a wide variety of software, and touch/stylus support on my tablet PC.  Otherwise, I find Mountain Lion to be grossly better, more sophisticated, better looking, and smoother than Windows 8.  I don't find it easier to use because I've been using Macs and PC for nearly 20 years, but stuff like the control panel in Windows is very bad.  You CAN'T find what you want unless you search for it.  No way.  

    Other poor aspects of Windows are things like mouse focus.  It's always, always, always in the wrong place.  On a Mac wherever you hover the mouse, that's where the focus is.  In Windows, you hove the mouse on the right side of explorer, then roll the scroll wheel and nothing happens.  You have to actually click over there first.  Same with Internet Explorer.  Other windows like network settings window, the focus actually manages to be nowhere at all.  Even if you click in the window the focus is still not there to scroll the window via the scroll wheel.  This lack of attention to detail plagues Windows everywhere you are.

    Navigating in and out of folders and levels in Windows Explorer also introduces a lot of "where am I" in regards to mouse focus.  It seems that the people who made this system are not key command/keyboard users but heavily focused on mousing around.  That would avoid all of the focus problems where a folder looks sort of high lighted, but actually it's not. You try to delete it or open it and nothing happens.  You click on it with your mouse and then it will be selected.  

    The ribbon is another losing situation.  Seems that nobody likes it, and it's only good for people who don't use key commands.  A lot of people were relieved to find that it could be hidden at least.

    The details pane that used to be on the bottom was useful although it had massive focus and tab order problems as well.  Now it's far more useless because it's only available on the right side, like the preview pane.  Speaking of the preview pane, it also has focus problems.  Pop that pane open via key command and where's the focus?  It's nowhere.  Hit Alt-P again to hide the preview pane and the focus is still nowhere to be found.

    All of this messy lack of attention to detail needs to be "cleaned up" so that Windows feels less like shareware.  Take it another step by making key commands customizable and allowing key command access to all those things in the ribbon.  I want to work with Windows the way I do on a mac.  With the keyboard as much as humanly possible.

    Lastly, the action of the Alt key makes it a key command spoiler, just like the Windows key.  It's nice to work on a Mac without the fear of accidentally tapping a key that will screw up my workflow or jump me out of my program, etc.

    I pray that Microsoft is paying attention to what Apple is doing because at the moment, Mountain Lion is just looking (and functioning) far superior to Windows with the exception of all the touch screen and stylus stuff which Microsoft should be commended for.

  • Sounds Great, I Like Windows 7, I Look Forward To Windows 8 Any thing Is Better Than Vista Which Was Terrible         Nelson

  • Wow, what can I say about the new windows interface but that the usability designers and tester at Redmond must have smoked something really strong to come out with Metro. As a tablet interface it works well but then then there is nothing particularly new on Windows 8, iOS has been doing the same for several years now and if we think well it is a lot simpler of using than the new windows 8. So even at tablet level Windows will be new, there will be some hype around int but in the end as now iOS will prevail because it is simpler and does just the same. But at desktop level the disaster could not be bigger. I very much don't care about the start button, and I welcome change if it allows me to work better and is visually pleasant. The problem here and which the designer failed to notice is that there is a reason why people use desktops for serious work while tablets are only for something causal. When you use a desktop it is often important to have several programs, several files opened in those programs, at the same time, being able to fast switch between them, and get visual awareness of where everything is and if something happens in any of the windows you need to know. This is why the windows bar, start menu work so great in spite of being ugly and dated solutions for this. There were ways of marrying a tablet environment with a desktop one addressing precisely the points above but metro is not one of them. It just copies iOS and puts it on top of classic windows without much thought. The outcome of this can only be a disaster on the scale of Windows ME, windows 8 won't please tablet users and won''t please too desktop users who will find themselves being very considerably slowed in their work by the OS.

    It is a pity because something really special could have been done marrying both environments which is indeed the future and if MS achieved this it would probably regain the leading of the IT industry. But this is a half heart attempt, and a particularly inept one, who will not only annoy it's users as also show the way for apple or google.

    Just think about this which perfectly illustrates the non-sense of windows 8: if you have 15 tabs open in your browser would you find acceptable that to switch between the last and the first one you would have to go through all the 15 tabs? And yet MS expects us to do just this in windows 8, not with tabs but with our applications.

  • Hello. I just had to remove windows 8 preview and go back to windows 7. I found windows 8 very annoying I'm sorry. No start button...Everybody with a PC says that. I found that I "lost open window apps" a lot. I check the time often. Couldn't find the clock. My wife was the greatest complainer. The video driver failed quite often causing the screen to blank. After a few updates our network adapter wouldn't reset. Had to, each time, do a network troubleshooting procedure in order to get online. I even purchased another adapter. Same problem. This OS is probably great on a phone or tablet. Not so good on a PC.

    Thanks for the trial but windows 8 is not for me.

  • If you want the Release Preview of Windows 8, go to Microsoft's Website.

  • Love the keyboard shortcuts and everything about this OS!!!

  • Eradrom
    1 Posts

    Will there eventually be the option to change the start background with other images as well? Just being honest, but I'm really not liking the look if not.

  • My own summary of my initial experiences with Windows 8 (upgraded from optimised Vista with all the latest updates and patches):

    No Start Menu; [apparently unlike in the Developer Preview - a bad move to remove it by Microsoft IMO];

    No software has been moved over during the upgrade, despite the installation saying nearly all of them were compatible with Windows 8 - I now simply have only a moderately useful Windows.old folder with all of my old programs in it;

    Programs load slower, but run faster;

    Video loads quicker and plays a lot smoother;

    Music was initially slower to start and can sometimes be interrupted by other processes - seems improved after time;

    Internet Explorer 10 is very buggy and crashes a lot; [I'm sticking to Google Chrome, which is far more stable];

    5/10 overall so far!

    Microsoft, reinstate a Start Menu/Program Menu and I'd give it 8/10... Maybe even 9/10 if it didn't look like the desktop had been dumbed-down to fit in with over-simplified mobile and i-pad move and drag schemes. Vista and Windows 7 look far better. Desktop and laptop computing is NOT the same as mobile and I-Pad computing!

  • how many people develop windows 8's security

  • satya
    1 Posts

    it's awesome..... the music is very good in the default player.  Can any one tell the name of the player that is used by default to play the mp3 tracks ???

  • BLZ
    1 Posts

    Installed win 8 on Oracle VM to try but have found it unresponsive to mouse commands and very slow whats wrong?

    Is it not compatible with VM's?

  • I finally got "8" installed after some difficulty with the upgrade, had to do a clean install. I love it!! My only concern is the hide start or "cover page". I anticipate this may make it difficult for older users trying to learn to use a new program.

  • Is this some kind of joke?  I don’t know anyone that ever liked Windows phone so now you’re going to force us into the same nonsense on our pc’s, I don’t think so…  I manage over a 1000 desktops daily and successfully stopped 100% of my clients from moving from XP to Vista, and the majority of my counterparts did the same.  We will certainly do it again and continue using Windows 7 until there’s a way to boot to the desktop and get the start menu back.  No chance that Corporate America is going to take the training hit and reduced productivity of its workforce.  Damn, I thought the Windows Me development team was long gone.

  • iam enjoying this new windows 8, its awesome to be able to link everything I do into one page.

  • 'Messaging' (using MS Messenger connection) doesn't support receiving pictures and doesn't notify about your contacts trying to send pictures to you ?

  • Some years ago i switched from windows mobile to iOS. What a relief! After testing windows8 now would be a good moment to switch to MAC OSx and NEVER return to windows.

  • Removing the start button will proove to be a fatal error for Microsoft, when it comes to the market share of their OS. Just put one of your parents in fromt of windows 8, and you will know why this setup is going to fail. Who has touch on their PC displays? Who wants to be cleaning the stains from their display ALL day ? Especially on those shiny ones.

  • I am trying to get use to windows8 functionality. As of now I have no intention of installing windows 8 in my 5 desktops running quad  cpu's. I am old.  I am sure windows 8 will lost all seniors like me. I think the windows 8 designers are young and hard headed and  will refuse the suggestions of current desktop users.





  • Hi guys... another bug...I sign in as the administer and then my wife signs in as a normal user, we both downloaded cut the rope app, the app works fine on my account start screen but has disappeared on my wife's account start screen, the app was there and there is a space where it was on my wife's start screen and when she tries to download it it say's she already owns this app but she cannot see it anywhere...weired.

  • rafiki
    1 Posts

    i have downloaded the preview and found none of the apps are able to connect to the internet...anyone knows the problem please fill me in..........thks   rafiki

  • if much more is fast, fluid and beautiful but still buggy, will have to improve it further, in relation to windows 7 is much faster, although the change of screens is a bit complicated

  • salgold
    1 Posts

    I saw something that intimated compatibility with iTunes might be a problem with Windows8.  Can someone share any experience or knowledge on this?  The Apple cult vs. Microsoft culture wars with these 2 seems to create quite a bit of problems that the consumer often gets stuck discovering 'the hard way'.

  • Chaz
    4 Posts

    Thought I'd point out something else about Windows 8:

    -There are no BUTTONS! How do you know what is just text and what is a control?

    -Why abandon the notion of "one click to select, two clicks to open/execute." Now it is right click to select and left click to open. For as long as I remember (since Win95) it's been that way. Why change it? For touchscreen users? Then simply have it as a single tap on a touchscreen, and a double click with a mouse!

    -From all the people I know who've moved to mac computers, the right-click menu is what they said they missed most about Windows. Now the right-click menu is no longer a menu but a bar along the bottom of the screen. So when you right-click at the top-right of the screen you have to move the mouse ALL THE WAY TO THE OPPOSITE CORNER. A really big annoying pain that shouldn't be necessary. Especially when you're rearranging the start screen this is VERY annoying.

    -No Start menu, that's what I miss most. I find it impossible to find anything on the start screen or the All Programs-er ahem- "Apps" list, because everything side scrolls and is really huge. A single vertical list, with normal size buttons and ordered in alphabetical order, is the fastest way to find something (at least for me). The single place where you can find anything was why I like the Start menu (I run everything from the Start menu, apart from 3 programs pinned to the taskbar: Explorer, IE, and MS Works Dictionary). Now everything is spread all over the place and difficult to find. I don't want a HUGE list of Favourites, I want an automatically ordered one.

    -The scroll bars in Metro and IE10 are ugly, difficult to see, and don't match with everything else. Why? Why do the normal scrollbars exist everywhere else in the desktop but not in IE10? Make the scrollbars like they've always been (not with huge arrows).

    -Microsoft is trying to create a closed system by only being able to install a program from the "Store." Sure, there's a risk of viruses, etc. but that's what antivirus programs are for! MS states that it simplifies things for the people who download hundreds of programs off the internet and cleans everything up, but usually people only do this if they're experienced users, so this is not a problem.

    -There are no advanced menus, anywhere. That's what I like about previous versions of Windows--it is so customisable! Not any more.

    The way I see it, MS is trying to turn Windows into a giant smartphone. This is NOT something I want to work on!


  • Chaz
    4 Posts

    Thought I'd point out something else about Windows 8:

    -There are no BUTTONS! How do you know what is just text and what is a control?

    -Why abandon the notion of "one click to select, two clicks to open/execute." Now it is right click to select and left click to open. For as long as I remember (since Win95) it's been that way. Why change it? For touchscreen users? Then simply have it as a single tap on a touchscreen, and a double click with a mouse!

    -From all the people I know who've moved to mac computers, the right-click menu is what they said they missed most about Windows. Now the right-click menu is no longer a menu but a bar along the bottom of the screen. So when you right-click at the top-right of the screen you have to move the mouse ALL THE WAY TO THE OPPOSITE CORNER. A really big annoying pain that shouldn't be necessary. Especially when you're rearranging the start screen this is VERY annoying.

    -No Start menu, that's what I miss most. I find it impossible to find anything on the start screen or the All Programs-er ahem- "Apps" list, because everything side scrolls and is really huge. A single vertical list, with normal size buttons and ordered in alphabetical order, is the fastest way to find something (at least for me). The single place where you can find anything was why I like the Start menu (I run everything from the Start menu, apart from 3 programs pinned to the taskbar: Explorer, IE, and MS Works Dictionary). Now everything is spread all over the place and difficult to find. I don't want a HUGE list of Favourites, I want an automatically ordered one.

    -The scroll bars in Metro and IE10 are ugly, difficult to see, and don't match with everything else. Why? Why do the normal scrollbars exist everywhere else in the desktop but not in IE10? Make the scrollbars like they've always been (not with huge arrows).

    -Microsoft is trying to create a closed system by only being able to install a program from the "Store." Sure, there's a risk of viruses, etc. but that's what antivirus programs are for! MS states that it simplifies things for the people who download hundreds of programs off the internet and cleans everything up, but usually people only do this if they're experienced users, so this is not a problem.

    -There are no advanced menus, anywhere. That's what I like about previous versions of Windows--it is so customisable! Not any more.

    The way I see it, MS is trying to turn Windows into a giant smartphone. This is NOT something I want to work on!


  • Morton
    1 Posts

    Different devices are appropriate for different working contexts. With a phone I don’t have the screen space to view more than one app at one time and generally I want to be able to glance at it and get a summary of my day and current messages. For this Metro works well.

    On a desktop I’m working with multiple documents at once, I’m launching new programs and context switching, then closing the once that I’m done with.  Metro and the new charms get in the way here. I don’t want my whole screen to effectively become my start menu, the context switch is disruptive. Getting the charms menu up is fiddly and not intuitive (yes you can learn, but that is missing the point, this should be something you don’t need training for The first time I encountered them I didn’t know how I got them, then later I couldn’t work out how to get them back. It shouldn’t need to be this way. I still have problems getting them even though I now know about them.  

    Closing Metro apps is fiddly, and I definitely want to be able to close them rather than have them passivate into the background because that is part of my working context, if they are closed then that task is done. If they are still open when I return to my PC I have to remember if I still need them, if there is more to do.

    Remember the PC/Desktop paradigm is about having stacks of paper (windows) that you are currently working on all available. You don’t move desk when you need to context switch you just select the piece of paper you need at that point.

    Metro works well on a phone, and may work well on a tablet, but gets in the way when I’m working in an office context.   To try and be constructive I think there are easy tweaks that could be done to improve things without significant divergence from the Metro style.

    1) Allow users to optionally have a start button equivalent, (alternatively have an application menu ‘button’ with the charms). The application/start menu would pop up (in the desktop) with the first column of tiles from the metro UI (not necessarily live ones). Perhaps additional colums could also show as sub menus.

    2) Allow users (on PC’s) to launch Metro apps into windows on a desktop.  These windows could be a fixed size and only be minimized or closed.

    3) Have a ‘button’ to open the charms that fades in when you move your mouse to the right of the screen.

    4) Rationalize the settings / control panel. It’s confusing to have two ways of changing different types of settings.

    4 Posts

    Not a very PC friendly OS.   If you have a big monitor it becomes  tiresome to scroll,  and snap-to won't work on certain size screens.  

    as a computer administator, this OS may be a dream, or a nightmare.

    Not a very usable OS for the workplace, espectially if people are spending work time playing with apps!  which they do on their phones anyhow.

    the feel, colors, and large app boxes just destroy the feel of using a computer.  i feel as if i am using a phone.  

    People may  like it, but i wonder what they use the computer for, just to chat or use email and play free app games?

    I hope that Microsoft will recognize the need for an OS that is simple and focuses on performance of the processors and gpu's that are coming out rapidly.   this OS seem more for kids than adults, maybe that is their target area, people who don't know computers.  

    Mac's OS operates a lot faster.

    I am also hoping that Microsoft will not force us to install a bunch of useless stuff just to delete later.  I would like for the operating system to ask me which programs to install instead of installing everything in every language.

    I would also like to see windows automatically turn off unecessary programs when i don't need them,  

    I don't see people who are gamers, designers, or other professions which only focus on one or two things using win 8.

    these people like myself use high powered computers with win 7 that already downgrades it's performance and gpu's for graphics program, and sound cards for music production.  We need speed, efficiency, and more pc and less operating system using up valuable ram, cpu, and read write times.  We don't need a 20gb os that does nothing but try to make us believe that we are moving into the future!  

    Sometimes less is more!

    when you go to the microsoft website, they say they are for HOME, WORK, IT PROS, AND FOR DEVELOPERS.


    Start from scratch!  this OS is terrible!!!

  • Ryme
    1 Posts

    I find the environment is disorientating. It appears to require a lot of memory load to be able to navigate successfully. By memory load I mean human memory, as there appears no reference point when trying to return to a starting point, as one gets with all Win OS' to this point. It is not unlike being dropped in a vast ocean and being asked to swim for it - where do you swim to?! Moreover, it has no place existing on a desktop monitor at all. The whole interface is suited to a tablet or mobile device and is hugely inefficient in terms of desktop space usage. The running applications are using system resources whilst they run out of sight and I dislike this hidden operation. As for shoving ones mouse pointer into the corner of the screen to switch focus between desktop and metro; goodness me - who came up with that idea?!

    On the plus side it has a really good text to voice function in its "Reader app" and this is the only reason why I have kept Windows 8 preview. Else it is stored away on a partition for when I need to use reader, else Windows 7 will takes some beating. Heck, I even installed Mac OS X the other day, on the same machine, and I never thought I would prefer a Mac system over a PC but Windows 8 has a LOT of course tuning to do before it is released. I'd have to be convinced a lot more with another preview possibly before I buy into it.

  • Is there any way to scroll to the end of a document (such as this one) with the onscreen keyboard rather than having to use the conventional keyboard (function, end)...? and then scroll back to the beginning instantly (function, home)...?

  • unable to run file history...will not recognise external hard drive (BUFFALO 1TB)

    20 Posts

    @Kent Walter (or anyone on the Microsoft Windows development team)

    Please take on board this excellent solution proposed by Paul Thurrott here:

    This is such a simple and elegant solution for desktop users complaining about usability. Honestly, I think it's a brilliant idea and should be given serious consideraion. If it was implemented in the Windows 8 Release Preview then I think it would be awesome!

  • waste of time! it ate up 5GB of my airband time, downloaded adware (Kaspersky & WinZip) without telling me, and after TWO hours of downloading.... it was NOWHERE on my comp! I called tech support, and was told THEY CAN"T SUPPORT IT!!!!! Post to forum, which I did, and got a response "What adware? Was it a corrupt site" I downloaded from, and they won't ven help you. All I know is I see many compaints, and you can't TALK to anyone about your tech problems; again, I can't ven find a link to it on my comp.... it never said 'run', 'install', etc.... only cost me $40 for using 5 gigs over my airband time. Microsoft will NOT HELP YOU if yu have a problem




  • Chaz
    4 Posts

    Here is a post that Adam Koncz posted regarding the Developer Preview of W8 on msdn (from

    "13 Oct 2011 12:15 PM

    It's like you present us with a shiny new Ferrari. It is fast, smooth, fiery red, amazing. And then as a surprise you say "And here is your trailer. It's brilliant; you can put stuff on it and others can put stuff on it, and you can make small piles so it is easy to find stuff, and it is GREEN." And I'm like, "WT* I don't want a trailer. Why would I need a trailer?" But you continue, "Why wouldn't you? See we even welded it on your car! So you can have it FOREVER"

    But here is the thing: I don't want a Ferrari with a trailer welded on it!"

    This makes me crack up every time I read it! So true, so true. The desktop is brillinant (as always), but the Metro UI bolted on to the desktop is just HORRIBLE on a desktop or a laptop computer (which is primarily what Windows is and will be used for).

    They should call it Window now, because there only is one. To take away what Windows is all about ... what is Microsoft thinking? The Start MENU (by the way, it is a whole lot easier to read a single vertical list than it is your current All Programs-er-ah-Apps list in Metro), windows, and the taskbar will always be the best part of Windows for me ... without them, it is not Windows.

  • I put windows 8 on and took it off the same day. You have a long way to go before improving on windows 7. Didn't like the main page at all. Need the start back. I will stay with windows 7 thanks you

  • dbosler
    1 Posts

    Some of my keyboard functions no longer work ,such as mute, sound up and down and sometime the numbers across the top don't work.  Other then that, looks pretty good.

  • 8  is a keeper!   cant wait to get service packs

  • Chaz
    4 Posts


    To set the Welcome screen to automatically login, it is the same as in Windows 7.

    Go to Power options in the Control Panel, click Require a Password on Wakeup on the left pane, then click Change setting that are currently unavailable (must be administrator), and select the Don't Require a Password radio button.

    Or, you could just remove your password altogether,

  • I live alone; would like to shut off password for start screen but can't figure out how, or find any remarks about this.

  • The only thing I found by using the Windows 8 customer preview that is missing is the Windows Button on the Touch-Screen keyboard interface.

    On a regular traditional keyboard we use the Windows + E to get explorer.  Windows + R to get Run.  The touch screen keyboard lacks that very important Key.  So when we try to go back to that app store style Start menu with the touch screen we are forced to move the mouse to the right side bar for that very unreliable side menu that doesn't appear as much as we need it or plug in a traditional keyboard.  Making the touch screen useless, for that fundamental functionality.

    That Windows Button has become a fundamental function and now, it's not there when we are looking for it.  We want the touch screen to be great, but right now it's missing a fundamental part of Windows.

  • Since the feedback tool is closed and I have seen no other ways to provide feedback, I'll use this blog post. Here are some problems I've had with the beta, excuse me, Consumer Preview, that can hopefully be addressed before final release:

    1) Folder views do not "stick" with their folder. Once I set a view and go to a different folder and set that view, it affects all other views

    2) no recent documents? Really? what kind office worker is going to want to "upgrade" to an OS that is going to force them to locate or search for each file they want to use?

    3) Better integration between Apps and windows programs (Music and video apps are garbage and do not tie in with WMP or libraries) and WMP should show songs when adjusting volume too

    4) Add the ability to rearrange (drap and drop) multiple apps at once for quick and easy organization

    5) Extend mousing sideways screen scroll to all apps

    6) Allow typing in Metro to select files/pictures as in Explorer (In SkyDrive, typing first few letters will select the file beginning with those letters)

    7) Why is Windows Update under Settings? It does not seem intuitive, like it should be an app. Also, installing updates from metro and from explorer is two different experiences. should be smooth.

    8) which leads to, in general, there needs to be some cleaning up of settings and whether they are adjusted in metro, explorer, or both. i shouldnt have to open Control Panel in Explorer and be directed to go to Metro to change something. I would say redundancy in both is probably best so people who use one or the other more often arent forced to switch.

    9) No more aero peek? the option is still there, but there is no panel. i understand the hot corner aspect, but aero peek was one of the best features to come out of 7.

    10) sync more things and allow people to CHOOSE what to sync (backgrounds, apps backup or at least list of apps installed, settings for WMP, desktop icons, favorites)

    11) search function needs to be tweaked (typing Computer Management doesnt bring up anything, whereas in 7 it brought up exactly what i wanted)

    12) if I'm searching for a file, it would be a heck of a lot easier if type in Excel.xlsx, and there is obviously no app or setting named that, that it should default to File for search instead of making the user click on File. I'm used to hitting the Start key and typing. i understand I can use Win+F, but to accommodate to what people are used to, if Settings and Apps yield 0 search results, default to Files (same goes for typing specific Settings name, like Computer Management)

    13) Too wide of a margin for resizing at the top of a window (i find myself accidentally resizing a lot when I wanted to drag the window)

    14) Easier way to Shut Down and Log Off (completely breaking from old habits is confusing, at least put a log off option where the Shut Down option is)

    Whether anyone of any importance reads this, but I hope some of these problems get addressed. I think Microsoft also could have done a lot better by creating a dedicated forum for Windows 8 feedback, but I searched and searched and couldn't find anything.

  • First, I apologize for my english, it is very poor., but wih yours indulgence...

    Desktop won't die in corporative or scientific world. That's mean keyboard, mouse, etc... I shall limit my few observations for desktop machines.

    True, the Desktop is still around, and it really works fine, its fast, fluid, I think better than Win7 (why it doens't a Metro look?, I don't understand). With the help of the functionality of a dock like Rocketdock for favorite applications, we can have again the same functionnality as in Win7. Perhaps a Metro dock for favorite applications that will be accesed moving mouse left will be great.

    But, the Start part, all applications there are awful. Functionallity of standard programs like Internet Explore, or Evernote could not be compared with the standard one. Furthermore, using Facebook in Internet Explore continue to be better!!

    Windows 8 seems to be Tablet-oriented, ok, it's a Microsoft concern. But I'm not very optimistic on Win8 on desktop or notebooks.

    I have to say that I like metro look very much, I have in all my notebooks a combination of Win7, Metro 7 and RocketDock. Why change?

  • Please, let the users be able to disable the awful Metro UI for desktop PC, and notebooks, and netbooks !

    That would be great. Thank you.

  • Avotos
    1 Posts

    Given certain software that I have to use for my lively-hood, I have been "stuck" with having to use Microsoft Operating Systems to continue their usage.  To put it simply, Windows 8 is the worst operating system I have ever had to experience. The sad thing is, the consumer will buy it because of the "Hype" and the "Propaganda" that will be utilized to market it.

    Microsoft/Bill Gates, instead of continually using "Hype" and "Propaganda" to market "Garbage" to consumers and bilking them out of hundreds of dollars, it would be a great change if you would do the "Honorable" thing by developing a usable, low-cost, secure OS without unnecessary complications(which suggest ease of use) and the constant need to bloat the operation of the standard desktop with Bling or programs/code that have no real purpose other than to cause problems(BSOD).

    Once the programs that I normally use are available for Linux(possibly Debian) which most versions are free, I will be moving on to greener pastures.

    To the average consumer, do not buy Windows 8! If you have to use Win 7, don't give Microsoft any more money by upgrading to Win 8, as the pattern currently has proven itself, wait for Win 9 and hope that Microsoft will have worked through their greed by then...

  • Found out too late that my Canon camera software isn't supported by Windows 8...  Hopefully I can still upload with the built-in "Camera" functions - haven't completely explored yet.  

    Agree that the Start/Shut Down was a complete mystery and not at all intuitive!  

    I miss my Windows 7 Mahjong game!

  • Forgot one item --- on my Mac with Bootcamp, Windows 8 doesn't seem to want to work with ethernet, but works just

    fine on the Mac with wireless.  The Windows 8 on my HP works just fine with ethernet.  Just for kicks, MAC OSX works

    with wireless and etheret.


  • Hi -- This is my first login.  This is from Windows 8 installed via Bootcamp on Macintosh OS X Lion.

    The only bug so far is the date.  I can't seem to get the proper date for this machine.

    I also have it installed on my HP via Esata hard drive and there so far the only problem is that I can't

    seem to get my desktop labels consistently in English -- some of them are in Characters -- perhaps Chinese.

    I am surprised that the Windows transfer handled my Windows 7 to Windows 8 via Bootcamp so well.

    Will continue to "play" with it some more.

    Joe Murdock

  • This product proves the connection between Microsoft and Star Trek Movies.  The odd numbers are pretty good, but the even numbers totally suck.  It offered a bunch of junk that I didn’t want, forced me to do things I didn’t want to and forbad me from making any changes.  To top it off it actively blocks your from uninstalling it.  It unfortunately has a will to live and will not allow you to do away with it.

  • Well the one BIG problem one will face with Windows 8 is that this test version will blow away your MS Office 2010. In my case I had no issues during that initial test that's suppose to warn you if you have any compatibility issues. I guess that there really wasn't an issue since the systematic plan was to delete my MS Office 2010 in the first place.

  • LucianM
    1 Posts

    Installed Windows 8 Customer Preview as a virtual machine on my Macbook Pro yesterday. Some nice things, but so far, not impressed. Actually I'm pretty disappointed in this crap.

    It seems more like a toy than a serious OS. I think that in its drive to match OS X and iOS, Microsoft is rapidly making itself irrelevant. As an IT professional, I don't need toys; I have enough of those, thank you! I need a real, serious OS that will do the job.

    If Microsoft will stubbornly continue to play catch with Apple, 2 things will happen:

    1. It will lose! Apple is better and nicer than Windows! Debate closed! MS beats Apple in its functionality in the work place not on the play ground

    2. It will prop up Linux more and more as a viable alternative to a stable and secure desktop and server environment

    Windows 8 might be able to win over a few misguided customers but in that market, if your prices do not come seriously lower than an iPad, Windows 8 has NOTHING to show for and in the process you have alienated your business base. I don't plan to move my company's PCs from Windows 7 no matter how many times Gates and Balmer jump up and down!

  • I downloaded the file, continuing problem that the product key doesn't match, i tried to talk to one of your techs on chat but the problem still persists, i had to re install windows 7 cause it doubled up on operating programs and slowed the laptop way down, reinstalled it and it works fast and great but i cant access anything till this product key problem gets fixed for good. please help i'd really like to try it.

  • HKM
    1 Posts

    Great idea....but when I downloaded the software from the initial invite a few weeks ago, I discovered that it took over TWO hours to download and check the OS! Moreover, it was totally a waste of time as nowhere had MS stated that you need free 16GB hard drive space to install the OS. This was a very BAD mistake by MS.

  • RyDawg
    1 Posts

    How do I sign in to windows live? I'm trying to sign in and it says I can't because my region is not supported.

  • RickM
    1 Posts

    Windows 8 works extremely well ... after doing a refresh and removing most of my applications. I would not suggest loading over Windows 7 as I did, especially if some of your applications are temperaMental. However, after using the refresh option to repair my system, it Windows 8 works just fine. I do agree with others that it really takes a mindset change to get away from clicking on the lower left of the screen, (you know, where the Start button used to be). I have opened up IE by mistake on many occasions…I miss the Start button, but I am now finally using the Windows logo button instead, change is good.  Although I getting the hang of it, there also needs to be some sort of static button on the left, because that hover feature was driving me nuts when I first installed Windows 8.

    Design wise, my laptop never looked better. It now has that slick tablet look and feel to it...pretty cool!

    My CPU intensive Sonar X1D music production software runs much more fluidly now, but my CorelDraw X3 graphic design software now has a minor glitch, but All-in-all, I'd say we have a Winner here. My power workstation, sadly enough will have to wait for the final version of Win8 to be released, although I am tempted to install the preview version on it, I can't risk having any problems arise on that machine.  

    Windows 8, I can’t wait!  Say it with me…Windows 8, I Can’t Wait!

  • jeroen
    2 Posts

    wy doesn't my microsoft word work

  • jeroen
    2 Posts

    my language won't change to dutch

  • i nstalled windows 8 on my acer aspire one d250 and did not like it. its gloomy and depressing to look at and i could not run any aps on it so im reinstallig windows 7 I LOVE WINDOWS 7!if you want a perfect op make it more like win 7

  • m3lvm
    1 Posts

    Well what do I say ????

    I'm sticking with windows 7

    The front user panel is a mess

    Windows explorer and system navigation is a nightmare

    Completing a simple task like shutting down drove me nuts.

    Yet another rushed Os like Me and Vista.

    Out of 10 : 4 and that given as its an os for a tablet not a pc.

    When window stops supporting seven will be the time to move to Apple Mac

  • gurbir
    1 Posts

    Great OS. Looks really attractive and works very fast....... Exciting

  • cxa110
    1 Posts

    Well I downloaded Windows 8 and yea it does have a new look but that's all . Got into the internet and clicked on a link and then how do I get rid of that page and get back to the pervious one and the sidebar keeps coming and going  really hard to get it to stay long enough to click on anything. Good thing I had my latest copy of Maximum PC with an article on W 8 to help me I wouldn't have been able to shut the computer down. I installed it on a separate HD  so I still have W 7 on my other HD which I am going to stay with until Microsoft comes up with something useful in an OS for Desktops. Like the mess they made with their new Flight   (Flight SImulator) which is totally useless when your used to FSX or FS2004 which is great , seems they don't listen to the community that uses such things, they have gone from an on-line FLight SImulator to a game which you will qucikly tire of.  Same as this W8  totally useless as far as my needs . Maybe someone likes it but I am sticking to W7  . W8 too much frustration for me thank you

  • Burn to disc is not working in this

  • As a tablet PC this makes the Ipad feel like a calculator

    As a Mouse driven PC mmmmmm needs some more.........

    Need to be able to choose Metro or Start Button Desktop????

  • I love it.....

    BUT I think that MS needs to address the Start Orb issue?

    Using with touch is FANTASTIC (once you know what and how)

    Mouse? I think that the learning curve will scare a lot of users away.

    I have had a word with Bill to sort you guys out and give us the Start button back.

  • MMan
    2 Posts

    By the way i can tell billions of sugs on what New Windows 8 can be and not. But iam not get paid for this. Others do and they dont! Or at least they can not.

    Well, we want it or not Microsoft is the leader in market for operating systems. No matter if they borow things from others and how they legal managed.


    Please dont let us die with that hope.

    Thank you for giveing me voice.

  • MMan
    2 Posts

    @ peabody :

    Well if you dont know it yet, Microsoft has this policy some ages ago.

    They dont care aboyt what you need. They care about what you do, where you do it, when you do it, and how you do it.

    Thats what is going to be excpected from now on and in to the future.

    So if this whas clear to you lets come back to this site.

    This site was created to see if the "customers", users and other involved people has found what they looking for at new OS, (eh..not OS that was IBMs), Operating system of Network Terminator Tech by Microsoft.

    Well its NEW!!!

    As marketing told new look has nice interface, many new look images and buttons and tons of checkers and debuggers as well.

    If you are looking for a game toy, You just found it !!! Best look ever!

    If you are looking for an operating system to work or have fun with your personal computer, you are at wrong place.

  • peabody
    1 Posts

    Are you kidding?  Was that start screen designed from a first grade art contest?

    I don't want my computer running a zillion apps in the background checking content on Twitter, Facebook, email, etc.  I just need an OS that is not so bloated with a bunch of useless junk.  And I don't need to search through all this stuff to find what I need.  This may be great for phones and tablets, it will be useless for a computer trying to do real work.

    We build computers with SSDs, high speed Sata and USB and then you give us a windows that takes 10 minutes to find anything with this foolish GUI.

    I also don't want an OS that is constantly checking email, twitter, facebook, etc to keep me 'up to date' .  That means all these little things will be running in the background using up resources and using bandwidth for no reason.

    I am not impressed, but I am also not surprised.

  • scottg
    1 Posts

    When I uninstalled this, it wiped out half my hard drive! I lost some expensive software in the process! I guess I'm just SOL, huh? Thanks.....

  • Bill B
    1 Posts

    Some things are great. The system seems to start quickly and all my Windows 7 drivers worked under Windows 8. The duel boot install went quickly. Everything seems to work as advertised. Some features I used in Windows 7 were not there such as Easy Transfer and Windows Back up. Perhaps they will be in the final version. The new user interface is for touch screens and seems to be a primitive version of what Apple has for their "I" products. I found it takes a while to figure out how to use it and found it not very efficient on a Personal Computer with a large screen and a mouse interface. I'm concerned the long mouse strokes required to use the menu may increase repetitive stress injuries for people who change applications frequently while working on their desktops.  Sorry without a mouse friendly menu like the Windows start menu I won't recommend my company upgrade to this release for PC users.

  • Cygnus
    1 Posts

    Not good. If I want to use a tablet. I will use a tablet, but I have no use for a tablet on my desktop. Tablet and smart phone functionality are fine while performing short, simple tasks: killing some time in transit: or entertaining the kids with a cartoon. Metro would be fine for those tasks. As it stands on my laptop or desktop, however, the only thing Metro accomplishes is to add extra steps to getting to what I want. Add to that the pre-school look of it, and it's just really irritating. Get Metro away from the desktop and release it as a separate phone/tablet OS, or something.

    Also, I multitask with just about everything except gamming. App functionality that is not multitaskable is near to useless for me in work or non-gamming hobbies. Loose the desktop-tablet hybrid concept. It's just time-wasting fluff.

    I also have problems with drivers. My network card is unfindable and access to my DVD drive is random: sometimes it works, sometimes not.

    I do like the Windows Defender concept, though.

  • How do I change the location in the map program. It came loaded thinking I was at a different address.

  • Another theory has been obliterated.  It usually takes Microsoft 3 times to get something right.  This is so conceputually flawed for use on a desktiop that it will never be right, not by SP3 or anytime soon after.  I don't want BOB or another childs toy O/S on my desktop.  It may be OK on the Mphone, but as it is it's not ready for anyone to preview.  There is so much crap in Windows now that is totally unnecessary it has grown to "beyond bloat ware".  If you'd simply think about what needs to be done instead of wasting all your time disguising your copying of Linux, you might get it right, but even that is a failure.

  • DumDum
    2 Posts

    Seems to me Microsoft has all the tricks figured out. They get us to try their new software then when they decide it is time to make it public they charge us to get the full version of what we have already been using. The sad part is if you are like me and dumb enough to download the preview version and don't like it you are screwed because you can't get the old back without rebuying it. I very much dislike  Windows 8 and rather liked  Windows 7. I have been trying for 3 days now to get my 7 back and it would seem the only way to do so would be to buy it from Microsoft all over again . If you buy software from Microsoft online and don't purchase the disc to go with it then have any issues with the product you are screwed. I am very displeased and no one can seem to help me in anyway. Why should I have to spend $200.00 just to try a preview of any product then have to spend more to get the full version when it is available. I just want my 7 back and I be damned if I am going to pay again  to get what I had before I was stupid enough to fall for this BS.

  • beautiful, but does not recognize the keyboard on my acer x5dijserie with windows 7, for the rest everything is beautiful and a wonder to me that I need to update the drivers, I'll just make installation as soon as I TIME

  • Like it but having some trouble connecting to some apps, such as the mail app, I cannot connect my yahoo mail and only gmail for some reason. Is yahoo mail not compatible with Windows 8 apps?

  • Great OS apart from the lack of start button on the desktop. Please bring it back Microsoft or I think I'm just going to stick with Windows 7.....

  • If I have a tactil tablet... why I need one big screen?

    If windows 8 is really thought for tablets, I don't understand the definition requeriments?

    In other questions, my tablet -asus- has a program for make easy write in the screen without problems if you put your hand in it when you are writting with the pen... and this program don't run in windows 8...

    Do you know why?

  • Nater
    147 Posts

    Let's be real...  If apple removed Finder and replaced the Desktop in OS with an iOS start screen with badges and large icons they'd be laughed out of the desktop market.  This is a terrible idea, but Microsoft are relying on their market position and people'd dependence on Windows software (due to Windows' market position) so push this crap down our throats.  There's pretty much nothing good about Metro on a desktop, unless it's a web kiosk or some other not-so-general purose workstation.

  • DumDum
    2 Posts

    I seem to have a problem I downloaded 8 and do not like it. My problem is this my OS was win7  and as everyone should know by now no way to recover from win 8 back to 7.The original Os for my machine was xp but a family friend loaded 7 on it then gifted the pc to me. I do not haver a copy of 7 nor does she since it was purchased online. So my question is this how do I get & back I liked it and want it back .Can anyone assist me in this?

  • jpdecar
    1 Posts

    II think with all the good and bad points going around about windows 8. A key thing is being missed by Microsoft.

    As a consumer, i buy things based on needs and wants. If something has things i think i need, or need, i buy it. If it does not, then i don't.

    I have played around with windows 8 for a while now and i have come to this conclusion.

    In it's present form, with the metro UI, for a desk top. I wont buy it. It has no appeal to me. It's usability is questionable, it's counter intuitive for a desk top user. You can come up with graphs of  all kinds of user data and charts, and tell me this is what most people want, but when it comes down to it, just looking in your own forums. It's is not what people want or need.

    I don't want my computer turned into a phone. I like my iPhone for what it is.Does not mean i want that same interface on my PC. I think this is a good operating system for a phone or tablet, but not a PC.  I don't have any plan now or in the near future to get a touch screen for my computer, so a touch screen UI for a desk top is a waste of resources.

    If you want to listen to the people that by your products, then do so, and stop trying to shove stuff down our throats. You did when you went from 95 to 98, with internet explorer, and you shoved outlook on to us, along with Microsoft instance messenger.

    What i want as a consumer is choice. If you want to bundle it my my operating system, go ahead. Just give me the choice of not installing it.

    What i want as a consumer, is a operating system for my computer, not a device to sell your stuff through your app store.

    I'm not going to rant and rave about how bad it is and etc..

    But i work in retail, and if i dot give people choices, they go to other store to buy stuff. The problem at the moment is, most computers run windows, so once you stop supporting windows 7, then i will have no choice but to make a decision, go to a mac(which, i really don't want to do) or cross my fingers and hope you or some one else  wakes up and realizes , that all thing wont fit in the same size box, so why try.

    I think the windows 7 desktop, with the speed enhancements and all the other stuff you have done under the hood, would be better for the desktop, then the metro interface.

  • OldBob
    1 Posts

    I have used it  since it became available, the Metro GUI took a bit of getting used to, but all in all the whole thing is excellent. I have it on 3 different computers with zero problems...... congratulations MS it is a winner ! I tried the new IE and it works OK, but I have been a Firefox user for so long that it seems foreign to me.

  • transco
    1 Posts

    Start button a most, IE 10 is the slowest  10,000 ms versus Firefox at 300ms...Otherwise a great product.

  • Windows 8 feels made for smart phones with Desktops as a afterthought. There is no start button to navigate, pan mouse over invisible panes don't always work, you sometimes need to pan over multiple times to bring up the otherwise invisible sidebar. There are to many sub-menus to navigate, it gets confusing. Also there should also be the option for restart  option on the power option.

    Bottom line for me, I see this as another Vista except worse. I can see this OS being great for smart phones and all in ones , but horrible for desktops.  Unless they make this OS more desktop friendly, I will just wait for Windows 9.

  • Ho applicato la versione 8 comm wiev su PC HP Pavillion dv6; ma sono cominciati guai perchè, la versione francese mi ha disallineato i valori della tastiera fisica, poi eliminati gli inconvenienti con tastiera in modo ENGL. ora però dovrei aver commesso alcuni errori nell'applicazione del software w8 perchè ho smarrito la password e non riesco più ad entrare nel sistema. il Windods 7 non è più raggiungibile ed il computer si è bloccato. <cosa devo fare? devo resettare il computer? oppure posso entrare nel sistema e togliere l'applicazione W.? attendo istruzioni. Grazie Lamberto Cesaretti-Piazza Oberdan 4-60035 JESI (AN)

  • I was so excited to click around with new Windows 8, I've installed it on virtual machine with 1.5GB of ram and had a great time with clicking around.

    Waiting for final release !!!

  • Windows 8 Consumer logon and logout fast… Turkish language support, but will be very nice though Ok...

  • Can someone tell me how to change the location for the mapping program? When I installed it, it seems to think I live in Vancouver WA and not in the Oregon desert.

  • Im from CHILE, Southamerica... I download it and its working perfectly, at the moment i dont have any problems,, its fast and amazinnnngg, U HAVE TO TRY IT !

  • The Metro interface is going to be a tech support nightmare.  Any interface that relies a lot on icons is.  I run an ISP and we finally had to get a Teamviewer license (and they AIN'T cheap) to do support because of Apple.  Today a support call consists of me walking the customer through installing teamviewer so I can get to his machine and fix the settings in his mail program.  I used to be able to talk them though it but after XP forget it.

    I'm more interested in the bottom end.  Does the included Calendar support CalDAV?  Is there a Telnet app still included?  It sure would be nice if MS could have added SSH into Telnet, that is used extensively in commercial networks for management and control.

    no question that MS is trying to push the "software as a service" mode.  Guess they are scared to death of OpenOffice killing off MS Office and are trying to lock people in to the Cloud.  Win 8 is prepwork for getting people more dependent on the cloud, that's for sure.  It's also advertising for getting people to buy Win 8 tablets.  But I don't see any benefits here for a business.

    As for use on a smartphone, get real.  Android rules there.  Unless a Win 8 smartphone can be rooted as easily as Android, it will be a dead entry in that market.

    Keep in mind Tablets only are useful for comsuming content off the Internet.  Nobody does serious work on them.  you need a real keyboard for that.  The metro paradigm is what sells tablets to wannabes who don't actually do any real work on a computer but instead spend their computer time downloading and installing apps, surfing the web and texting each other.  I'm sure my 13 year old son will love Win 8 on the desktop because that's what he does with his machine.  But his first employer isn't going to pay hiim to do that, unless he gets a job writing complimentary posts on blogs like this one.

    Take it from me, anyone writing a complimentary post on Win 8 right now doesn't understand the point of beta testing.  If you really really like Win 8 then your job is to dig out all the bugs in it and make noise about them so they get fixed before RC, because you want to win over the people who are fence sitters.  Right now your blogging to other techs who have done beta testing before and they know that betas are full of bugs, so when you post your experiences and claim you had no problems, we know your blowing air out your behind.  Another wannabe indicator are people posting guides for backing up systems or posting warnings about it.  This is beta OS software, you have a screwdriver, take your external USB disk and make an image copy, buy a new hard disk swap drives, restore image to new disk - then install the Preview.  Then once you got Win 8 installed and happy, image the sucker off.  If your really beta testing your going

    to be restoring that image a dozen times at least.  And if your a dedicated tester your gong to be running this in a VM on your existing system.

  • this is my second posting about my windows 8 experience .

    my first posting , i had difficulty adjusting to the new layout .

    but i had hopes , that in time my experience would get better ?

    i was one of those who chose to skip vista .

    i heard to many complaints from those who did try it .

    there was at least for me , a learning curve with 7 .

    but in short time there was that , AH-HA moment .

    i see it now , 7 is better , a lot better .

    having installed 8 on a clone drive , on a new

    DELL XPS i7-2600 cpu .

    i can now say that at times it is faster than 7 .

    but more often it is slower .

    8 did shine in making flash presentations ,

    but that was the only bright spot .

    on a brand new desktop , 8 fells like a

    clunky antique .

    the wheel has been re-invented many times .

    but guess what , ... it is still round !!

    i have tried , and have found nothing in 8 ,

    that would help me work faster or better .

    or that 8 will do some new task that i can't

    already do with 7 .

    7 feels like an interstate highway .

    8 feels like a corn-maze in a farmers field .

  • This is fine!  I like this system a lot.

    But i lost audio when installing this. My motherboard is Asrock 880G. Few days been just using this, but nobody knows the problem...

  • mazoo
    1 Posts

    As always Microsoft keeps the exitement of new OS alive, well done! This goes back to Windows 1.0 on a floppy>>

    well done.Sure it will be great! Win 8. runs fine on a Sony VGN-P15G

  • Ok. I've seen a lot of Win 8 fans defending Microsoft's new OS like it's the only hope for humanity, and I must voice my disappointment. I work as IT support, and often use administration tools in Server 2008 (R2).

    There are multiple concerns that I have for this platform:

    -Very little companion company work. And by this I mean all the companies affiliated, and potentially affected by the release of Windows 8. I'm talking about Intel. Nvidia. AMD. Adobe. CAD (Autocad's developers).

    How about CRM solutions designers? Software developing companies? Hardware developing companies? I've seen very little news chatter about how they'll cope with Win 8: I assume it'll be kind of like when they encountered Vista. They'll start developing for the new Platform after 8, which they'll assume contains some similarities, and maybe release a couple of patches. Might as well call Windows 8 "Beta 9", as we called Vista the "Beta" for 7.

    While I'm on that note, did anyone see the term backwards compatibility? Anywhere? No?

    - Lack of thought for design; specifically pertaining to business users and IT Departments. Not everyone in today's IT situation is specifically "locked-in" to one OS. I, for one, have had to quickly jump from using XP/7 to Apple's OSX to help users: And while it's not specifically fluent, it gets the job done. Similarly, a few of my colleagues are primarily Mac users, but they are often times fine to be left to their own devices on an XP/7 machine. The specific problem that I envision is the sheer "evolutionary jump" as some have termed it, will be too much for some users (if not most) to handle. I can see more of our native users jumping to Apple for a more user friendly platform. Those that do choose to struggle will bombard what little this company has in the way of IT resources for very basic, constant support; in short, it has the ability to create another Windows Vista environment. And that was not a forwards step.

    - Lack of resources to prepare for this jump. Australian retailers have no displays heralding Windows 8. There is little knowledge that the general public has for it's impending arrival. And a lot of people are still getting used to Windows 7, as they did XP, and it's predecessors. The same thing happened with Vista. And further more, the only real reason that Windows is making this jump is to bat-out both Mac OSX and it's cousin, the iPad: at the same time.

    For the time being, my company will not make the jump, and throws our users and productivity into the crossfire; rather we will await a more stable, well developed user interface and operating system as we continue to move forward. I would, however like to see responses to this, so feel free to comment.