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Today we’re happy to announce new versions of Movie Maker and Photo Gallery for Windows 7 and Windows 8. We’ve added a few new capabilities while also taking advantage of some advances in Windows 8. Movie Maker and Photo Gallery are two essential Windows applications hundreds of millions of people have come to rely on for making the most of your photos and videos. And with this release, we’ve given you a few more reasons to enjoy them even more.
Download: Windows Essentials 2012 (Web install)
Windows Movie Maker is a great way to turn your ordinary photos and videos into a captivating story. Whether you’re making a short clip to quickly share or taking your time to make the most of that big event, Movie Maker showcases your skills as a budding film-maker. With major advancements in hardware accelerated graphics in Windows 8, Movie Maker has evolved to include these state of the art enhancements.
Video Stabilization: Sometimes the video we take is just little too shaky; especially as we take more and more videos using our phones and smaller video cameras. Movie Maker has taken advantage of new technology in Windows 8 to smooth out your wobbly videos. Just select the shaky video and choose from a variety Video stabilization options and Movie Maker will smooth it out.
Check out this wobbly video taken by a mountain biker with a helmet mounted camera. Movie Maker turns what is nearly impossible to watch into something that appears to be nearly professional quality. Video stabilization, courtesy of Windows 8, puts your shaky videos back on solid ground.
Music: The one thing that can really make a difference in a movie is the soundtrack. But it can be hard to find not only the right piece of music but a version with the appropriate rights. And even if you choose a song from your own collection, it runs the risk of being stripped out once it’s published to YouTube for not having the appropriate rights. So we decided to work with AudioMicro, Free Music Archive and the Vimeo Music Store to make it easy to find music that is not only fitting for video, but also has the proper rights. Now when you go to add music to your movie in Movie Maker, you have the option of getting music from your PC or from three varied music services.
So, you have the music but what about a way to control how well it plays with your videos. We’ve added waveform visualizations to both the music track and your videos so you can quickly see where you need to cut or trim your video to match your music.
And if you want to narrate your movie, we’ve also added a third audio track for narration. Often times the easiest way narrate a video is to talk while you’re taking a video, so we’ve made it possible to add narration either as an audio file or as a video file. When you want to add narration to your video, just select the video with narration and we’ll strip out the audio and include it in the narration track. Of course, if you just want to record your voice using your PC, you can do that too.
With sound coming from three different sources, the audio of your movie may be hard to hear. So, we’ve added some ways to choose which form of audio you want to emphasize. This makes it easy to clean up and enhance the audio for your entire movie project with just a single click.
With enhancements to audio and music support, we’ve made it easy to find, add and control both music and narration. Now you can make your movies even better with great music from partners who specialize in music for film and film makers like yourself!
Text Effects: Including text in movies continues to be a popular way to add depth or highlights but sometimes the font can get lost making it hard to read. One way to enhance the text is to place an outline around your text. Now when you add text in Movie Maker, you can also add an outline that makes the text stand out from the background.
H.264 by default: One of the most popular video formats out there today is h.264 which is rapidly becoming the default format for cameras and video sharing. Now Movie Maker saves to this format by default making it easier to publish your video to popular sharing websites, managing your videos and your files between services and devices.
In Windows 8, Windows Photo Gallery is the number one way to organize, fix, find and share your photos and videos. And with advanced features like Photo Fuse and Panorama, Photo Gallery continues to bring creative enhancement to your memories.
Auto Collage: Trying to create a collage of photos on your own is hard and usually requires expensive and complex software. With Auto Collage in Photo Gallery you just select seven or more photos and we’ll arrange them in a collage for you. Making a new photo our of existing photos has never been easier. Whether you want to make a special print of a collection of photos or you want a nice start or ending to a movie highlight with some of your favorite scenes.
Vimeo: We’re excited to announce Vimeo as our new publish partner! Now you can share your videos straight to Vimeo from both Photo Gallery and Movie Maker. Once you have your project saved and are ready to share it with the world, just click on the Vimeo button in the share gallery, choose from a variety of options that Vimeo provides and you’re done. Now your movies can become a part of an ever growing community of film makers who call Vimeo their home.
We’re hope you’re as excited as we are about the new Windows Movie Maker. We’ve listened to your feedback and have added better audio support and finer control within the storyboard. Our new music partners make it that much easier to bring your videos to life with great music that is optimized for making movies. With video stabilization from Windows 8 and other features that help you refine and share your creation, Movie Maker brings you one step closer to being the awesome filmmaker you always knew you were!
For more information on what’s included with Photo Gallery and Movie Maker, click here.
I was really excited to install this, but it's hard to be excited now with the setup fail coming on so strongly. For starters, when I go to install, it says I need to install .NET 3. You guys know that .NET 3.5 and .NET for are largely compatible, right? Why aren't you guys mandating .NET 4?
Second, Windows 8 has a new mechanism for checking for and installing .NET 3.5 if it is needed. However you guys totally bypass that and take me to a website to download it. Really? This is the experience you are going to provide for Windows 8 users right off the bat? To completely halt the install on your own instead of letting Windows take over for the .NET install and then proceeding with the original selection?
Finally, if .NET 3.5 was that big of a deal, why wouldn't you guys check for it FIRST, BEFORE users click anywhere to select installation options... ESPECIALLY if you're going to abort the install to make them install .NET 3.5 anyways?
Clearly you guys have not thought this experience through. At all. Disappointing, especially given the amount of time the team has had since the last release, and the lack of features to show for the time allotted.
In the first paragraph, I meant that .NET 3.5 and .NET 4 are largely compatible.
Also, I should point out that the default download option means that the Full Installer won't get saved when you run it, meaning that the Essentials installer will halt, make you download .NET 3.5 on your own, and then you will have to re-download the installer again. Like, seriously, did you guys try installing it on Windows 8 RTM just once before you released this? It is really embarrassing.
@Robert McLaws - my understanding is that when Windows 8 broadly available to customers this fall, the process for getting .NET 3.5 for Windows Essentials 2012 will be done via Windows Update and will happen before the installation commences (after a person launches the installation, if .NET 3.5 is not detected it will ask the person to install it and that happens via Windows Update). Thanks for your comment! :-)
Had no issues installing. Love the new releases!
Brandon, that's all well and good ... if I choose to install via Windows Update. I, like many users, download and save my installers for later, and that is certainly a lousy way to handle the install. Either include it in your installer, or use appropriate mechanisms for the installers. I do agree that with 3.5 being included in Windows 7 and 8 that you guys should just be using it instead.
@GoodThings2Life - thanks for the feedback and I'll pass it along!
However I was expecting really more on the viewing experience on using the Windows Photo Gallery.
It's still looks the same like the previous version. No major additions what so ever and in my opinion is really lacking behind in comparison with Picasa and iPhoto.
I was really expecting a new more modern viewing experiences, full support for geotag photos including a build-in Bing Maps for viewing photo places, redesign of People Tags and many more.
Especially after the great work you have done in viewing experience for the Metro Photo App in Windows 8, this release feels really outdated.
Because of the above this release can hardly be characterized as a major release, at least for me.
Hopefully Windows Live Essentials 2013 will release early next year and shortly after Windows 8 release and meet all of my expectations and have a modern UI and capabilities that meets today's needs.
Other than that all the additions and changes you have made with the 2012 release are very welcome and much needed.
Are these apps complete, or will there be an update before the Windows 8 launch which gives these apps a more Metro appearance with Metro colours and Icons. Oh and "Windows Live" Messenger renamed?
Brandon, why doesn't it do that now? Why put out an installer update later, especially when it is going up on MSDN in a week? That doesn't answer the question of why it is not using the version of .NET that is installed by default on Windows. What is the point in unnecessarily increasing the attack surface on the computer when you guys control the source code and could have easily upgraded the code to .NET 4?
Also, the installer incorrectly computes the center of the screen when a Metro app is docked to the sidebar, see here: http://twitpic.com/agpwje.
Just installed Photo Gallery + Movie Maker using web install on my old PC running Preview Release of Win 8 (32 bit); no problems whatsoever installing. Haven't done a lot with MM yet but playing with the new features a bit. Glad to see the Music feature (not as good as having a timeline, but looks to be helpful), and hope to try it out shortly.
If you guys will have it fixed by consumer RTM, then great. The reason I was upset about this is because this kind of stuff is exactly why consumers hate Microsoft. To see something like this come up in newly shipping bits is... frustrating, to say the least. Especially when Windows 8 has enough hurdles to jump over in the marketplace to begin with.
wow I bet the MS guys are really pleased with the feedback. Hey here's an idea, how about asking for the improvements politely and actually appreciating that you got all this new stuff for FREE. As a dev I can share that "shock horror" its hard to stay motivated after all that work when the only feedback is "hey this is shitty didnt you even try this?". Yeah feeling the love guys.
Thanks MS pretty sure you're not trying to hack anyone off and will happily look at the feedback and improve the experience where you can.
In the meantime, chill guys its free, install the framework and find something else to stress over. Life must be treating you pretty good if this is your biggest problem.!
Thanks, Brandon! :)
@n1kos Thanks for the feedback! Yes, we continue to look at news ways to integrate services and add additional capabilities. It always helps to read comments like yours to help gauge where we should invest moving forward.
Love the programs. Will definitely download the updates. I'm glad Microsoft hasn't given up on such a great program. I was wondering if other changes, fixes, or improvements were done. I'd love to see more accurate face detection because, while it might recognize faces in a pic, it still doesn't know it's a relative I've tagged in 1,200 other photos. Also, I'd love to see more places to order prints from, like Walmart or Target.
Keep up the great work!
I'm glad that the development team has FINALLY responded to the avalanche of criticism of its appalling Windows 7 Live Movie Maker. A bigger step backwards in term of capability from the previous iteration, WMM 6.0, I cannot remeber. Of course, narration and music wave forms should have been there all along, since they were part of previous Movie Makers. To wait almost 4 years for their re-appearance is a testament to the incompetence and/or lack of resources of the Live suite developers, and an indication of how far ahead Apple is with its iLife suite. [BTW, how many years ago did iMovie introduce video stabilization?]
Unfortunately, the intuitive editing precision of a proper timeline is all but gone - except for those of us who still use Movie Maker 6.0 - and the Windows 8 MM is still a high-class slideshow maker.
The once vibrant Movie Maker community is approaching dormancy, and this won't fix the problem.
Guys, no go for me. I can't believe I'm forced off of Live Mesh. I use that across my systems because of its ease of use remote desktop feature. I can't loose that. Why are you forcing the uninstall here? Bad. Bad. Bad.
The features are really good but Windows Essentials suite need the metro styling and icons upgrade. When I run photo gallery and movie maker, the interface looks pale in comparison to the rest of Windows 8 software.
So Video stabilization is not available in Windows 7? I cannot find it.
I have three questions:
1. Will the audio tracks be fully independent of the video? In other words, can you move songs to precisely where you want them, without needing them to be contiguous with other songs or the video?
2. Can you drag and extend/reduce photos to any particular length without having to use that ridiculous multi-step duration button? [That feature-destruction alone should have gotten the entire WLMM team fired.]
3. Will you reintroduce some of the nifty controls from older Movie Makers, like right-click fade in/fade out, and drag and drop cross fade on video, pictures and sound?
All of these features were lost with that grotesque WLMM. If MM 8 is going to be a move forward, it ought to AT LEAST incorporate all the old features.
Installed this. Found it odd that Mail, Messenger & Writer have the words 'Windows Live' still in front of them, while Movie Maker & Photo Gallery don't. Shouldn't this inconsistancy be fixed? I was also hoping that Mail would be getting an update to fix the contacts section and show contacts combined like Hotmail.com, Outlook.com, Windows Phone & Windows 8's People app all do.
Sorry, but as Brad explained in his post, the Video Stabilization feature depends on technology in the Windows 8 media platform. You will be able to try it out on the retail release of Windows 8, as well as on the Release Preview which is currently available for download.
Thanks for your interest in this feature!
Martin and Andrew - I'm reading tea leaves here, but I don't think it's an accident that while Photo Gallery and Movie Maker dropped the "Live" moniker, it's still in place for Writer, Mail, and Messenger. To me, that's a sign these applications are on life support and won't be updated further. Mail and Messenger already have Metro apps for Windows 8. And surely Skype will eventually replace Messenger as Microsoft's preferred messaging application, and I'll bet that happens sooner rather than later. Skype could simply become another network to add into the Windows 8 Messaging app.
Polychromenz - Amen, brother.
Grapeanca - Some valid points, but to call the team incompetent is a bit harsh. You think Microsoft couldn't have piled on a bunch of features if they'd wanted to do so? The team made it clear with the Windows 7 version of MM that they were going for a simpler UI that anyone's grandma could use. Give Adobe Premiere Elements a try and then tell me which one you'd recommend to a non-techie. That said, I'm glad to see some power user features returning, and I hope MM lives on for many versions.
Nick S - Live Mesh is a dead product. It will not be updated moving forward. Time to let it go and move on, my friend. I'd bet the SkyDrive app will eventually add some form of P2P sync and some form of remote access is supposed to be coming via the web UI in the next release.
Very promising (thanks so much for H.264 support!!)!! =D Looking forward to more updates as Windows 8 launches.
is Windows DVD maker coming to Windows 8 (at least the Media Center version)? miss it!
First, really supprised this I can't login to this blog with my Microsoft Account ID? Second was really looking forward to testing this out because of the h264 support finally being added, but we have to dump Mesh? I am not dropping mesh until, skydrive picks up the remote connection and folder syncing. These two items simplified my setups so much not having to manage RDP and manual robocopy script transfers. I don't need ALL my data in skydrive, I need it synced between my systems. Skydrive is awesome for getting stuff like photos, some tunes and shared files into the cloud, but I've been syncing over 100 GB's for free with a simple and easy interface, and I am not goning to add yet another bill to do what I previously could for free for, when I already have unlimited cloud storage and access for +50 bucks a month on Carbonite. It just makes no sense. And to use individual essential apps to force out other older apps is a cheap way to kill something off. Man up and say hey, were gonna kill this off, here's what we are going to offer now, that way I can dump mesh and get on with my life :)
Greg, I understand it's a dead product, but I still use it alongside the new Skydrive app. There is no technical reason why it should be forcefully uninstalled. Let the user choose to uninstall it. Quit deciding for me what I can and cannot run.
Greg - Actually, the WLMM development team wanted to make a MM that would appeal to Grandmas AND power users (Mike Torres promised it repeatedly, for example), but they failed miserably. 1000's and 1000's of people wanted narration, for instance, and the dev. team never brought it back. Indeed, after about 16 months, the program ground to a halt, and the dev. team went completely silent. Either they couldn't pull it off, or they didn't have the resources to finish an essentially unfinished program. They could've have put narration in a hidden tab (like Project) and it wouldn't have confused any Grandmas who were making their slideshows.
I'm sorry to notice that 16x10 hasn't been added to the automatic cropping proportion. For this I still need to rely on Picasa. Also, how can I get the French version of WLE 2012?
I wonder if this final releases of the new wave. If it is, this is a MAJOR disappointment.
With the whole Microsoft is on the Metro push, I see myself using the less powerful Message app for candy eyes effects. It is almost not understandable that the whole Microsoft arsenal is on the bump... Office, Visual Studio, even Windows itself! but not Essentials?? Even 3rd party MetroTwit is "first-class Windows application" with .NET 4 but not Microsoft's own Essentials?
Secondly, why force me off Mesh? Even if a Mesh is a dead product, why can't I just use a dead product? Especially the dead product that can do more than its alive successor? I'm sticking on 2011 because of Mesh. Metro love could go for the Web Application team.
It's a shame that this micro update you call Essentials 2012. It doesent deserves to be Service Pack update.
Why I have to install Movie Maker? Why it is used to display ugly slideshows in gallery, while built-in into Windows slideshow provides ten times better image quality?
I used Live Mesh to sync my IE favorites between computers and my Music folder with P2P sync. Now I have to put everything into skydrive folder?
So now IE becomes ONLY browser that doesen't have online Favorites backup. Firefox, Chrome, Opera, even Safari can sync favorites, but not IE.
It's a shame guys, really, it's a shame.
Thanks for the updates guys, when I was in High School, my two biggest gripes about Windows Live Movie Maker was the lack of narration support, and the inability to have a black outline over text. The h.264 support is also much welcomed since my school was largely mac based. Thanks a lot guys, I hope you realize how much this will help with school projects.
On that note, It's a little disappointing that it took two years to add those features, I hope that we'll see more frequent updates in the future.
Please reply, has anything been removed secretly or "by design" vs 2011 version? I have to ask this question every time now-a-days because I don't trust Microsoft - they eliminate features for whatever reason without even disclosing them and lie straight to our faces - "no compromise".
Any Chance of Getting an MSI package or these programs broken up?
I am upgrading our High School Campus (1200 PCs) from Windows XP to Windows 7. The Student computers are not allowed to have Messenger on them, or a need Mail or writer.
To my knowledge, no features have been removed between the 2011 and 2012 versions of Movie Maker and Photo Gallery. There have been some changes under the hood, but these would most aptly be described as improvements to performance and reliability.
We do not offer the Essentials apps in individual installers. However, with the suite installer you do have the ability to select the apps you would like to install.
Thanks to everyone for your feedback so far. We really like hearing your thoughts about our products, and will use them to inform our decisions going forward.
Movie Maker Program Manager
Movie maker really needs a decent timeline (ala Adobe Premiere), most people have stopped using it for that reason; and the new features described on that blog post aren't enough to compensate it.
And forcing us to get rid of live mesh? No way :)
I do hope that you will metronize Windows Essentials as well, they will look so much better. I also want integrated maps. A world map to view all my photos, Facebook has one powered by Bing. I also would like the little maps to show geotags that you use on SkyDrive.com. I would very much like to get rid of MS Pro Photo Tools, but I do need two things that program have, one is to geotag photos with a map, or address (basically everything that is under location information on MS Pro Photo Tools). The second is the ability to change the time on several images but telling it to set the time back 1h or 5m. It's very useful for me if I am in a new timezone but have taken 20 images before I correct the time on by camera.
I also hope that you will have a much better people integration, a whole page where I can see all the people with both name and picture, including the unused tags. When I use the clean unused tags feature, I often is surprised by the number and wonder which tags did just get cleaned up.
YAY you made Movie Maker good again! Last update lost so much from the Vista Movie Maker, to have the features back and even better is fab news.. Now if only you could of not messed up Windows 8.. That's one OS Ill stay clear from.. Windows 7 will be installed for some years yet it seems...
Here is the embarassing moment : whenever I try to launch Movie Maker it says it can't find MF.dll ? :o
Please, you can't force to uninstall mesh until SkyDrive is on par with his features! I currently use Mesh to collaborate with several people (a single folder synced across multiple accounts and multiple PCs), this is not yet supported with the SkyDrive Desktop app.
The Portuguese language of Brazil (PT-BR) is available?
how if i want to update my existing windows essential 2012?
how if i want to update my existing windows essential 2011 to 2012 version?
That error might appear if you are running the N or KN version of Windows 7, which does not include the media components needed to run Movie Maker and Photo Gallery. If you are not sure which version you have, you can check by following the instructions here:
If you are running the N or KN version of Windows 7 and would like to use Movie Maker or Photo Gallery, you can download the Media Feature Pack which will add the needed components for you. You can find information and the official download link here:
Please do let us know if this is the case, and if this fixes the issue for you. Thanks, and good luck!
The installer offered in this blog post is for English only, but we will have all other supported language versions available very soon. For PT-BR, you will be able to find the Essentials suite through this page:
For any other language, please visit this page and click on "Products" at the top (or the equivalent in your language) to reach the same page.
Please check back soon, and thanks for your interest in Movie Maker and Photo Gallery!
If you are running Windows 7 or Windows 8 Release Preview, you can use the installer linked at the top of this article to install Windows Essentials 2012. If you already have Windows Live Essentials 2011 installed, Windows Essentials 2012 will replace it automatically.
Please note: as the article linked at the bottom of this one explains, Windows Live Mesh will be replaced by SkyDrive.
Windows Essentials 2012 requires Windows 7 or Window 8 to run, so you will unfortunately not be able to install it if you are running Windows Vista.
Thank you for your interest in Windows Essentials 2012!
"Please note: as the article linked at the bottom of this one explains, Windows Live Mesh will be replaced by SkyDrive."
But for now, SkyDrive doesn't match with Mesh. They look more like 2 different software, one push your data into the cloud, the other sync files through different PC (and the datas aren't going on the cloud; and you don't upload them to the internet but it's using local network instead which is much much faster, plus you don't get the 7GB limit).
You can't force your customers to replace a software by another when the newest one doesn't match with the oldest one, you are just frustrating us.
I can't believe you guys ditched Mesh/P2P synching!! It's a superior feature I really can't live without anymore.
Is there a way to install it together with The 2012 Essentials Pack? (I don't need Skydrive)
When you rely on Movie Maker... you are lost!
"Movie Maker and Photo Gallery are two essential Windows applications hundreds of millions of people have come to rely on for making the most of your photos and videos."
Should this considered be humor? Movie Maker is horribly buggy, prototype application quality. And even IF you achieve to put together some minutes of video, it isn't very capable. For example, rendering WMV encoded video to the Windows DVD Authoring Application is out of question. (And then DVD Maker fails to get 16:9 aspect videos right...) This is such a fail.
Photo Gallery: Could you "invent" full screen display please? Vista's Photo Viewer failed to keep native display resolution in full screen mode. "Photo Gallery" has a similar odd animated picture show. Find out how to do a simple full screen static display (that is, find out the theme that allows something similar and rely on keyboard navigation for PAUSE and NEXT/BACK) is something that regular users just won't do. Instead, family gathers around an almost "thumbnail" view of holiday pictures...
Finally, in full screen mode these image viewers "decide" just to ignore display profiles.
I liked the idea of a nice set of useful applications outside the Windows release cycle. But the result is just unworthy.
I see it's possible to deselect the installation of SkyDrive if you go through the custom install - if I do that will I be able to keep Live Mesh? SkyDrive just doesn't replace the functionality I rely on Live Mesh for - synching machines without storing data in the cloud, and remote access to my machines.
If there's really no way of keeping Live Mesh alongside any components of Essentials, please explain why that's so. Is there a technical reason that they can't coexist? I hope it's not an ill-judged decision to try to kill a useful program just because it's end-of-life.
The Live Writer twitter said download the "new" Live Writer 2012. What is new about it, if anything?
Would love to try these but losing Live Mesh is a no-go. Until SkyDrive does P2P synch, I will not be updating...
I used only one feature of windows live essentials: Live Mesh, because i can keep the complete user data of 3 PCs in sync without having to put my data into "The Cloud". Either the Skydrive app will get the functionality to sync between PCs without Skydrive, or I will change to something like owncloud.
To behonest: I am absolutely puzzled why microsoft removes the only functionality that's somewhat unique and working well.
You add remote desktop to Skydrive or you will have to pull Live Mesh out of my cold dead fingers! (Or you could just disable the service I guess)
Excited to see through a new Window -- hope going thru this is like the fantastic Mr. Wizard and Mr. Fix It because I am a moron with this computer but I love it........
Thanks for this nice update.
Can we still use all install options like before?
We would only like Moviemaker and installed the software with the following commandline:
wlsetup-all.exe /q /NOToolbarCEIP /NOhomepage /Nolaunch /nosearch /AppSelect:moviemaker
Will this still work?
It's a pity that this version of Windows Photo Gallery has not implemented the standard for handling Hierarchical Keywords proposed by the Metadata Working Group back in November 2010. After all, Microsoft is one of the founding members of this industry group.
And this version of Windows Photo Gallery is still corrupting Makernotes, so that bug is still not fixed. See answers.microsoft.com/.../0c65bb55-39f0-4f76-ba1a-f4528167abd4
Nice new features, but some things are still broken for tablet users such as myself. Scrolling in Photo Gallery still requires extensive use of the scroll bar instead of native panning (panning, works when you select all the photos, in the Nav pane, but when you select a certain folder it doesn't work, forcing users to use the scroll bar, not to mention when it does work it is extremely choppy, making it better to just use Explorer to navigate). Mail still doesn't support touch panning when using a 1 live message view as well.
With this update, I can no longer run Movie Maker on any of my computers. It keeps taking me to a list of minimum requirements which all of my computers meet. The prior version of Movie Maker worked just fine. Now, I can't even edit movies I created in the previous version. Also, the collage feature in Photo Gallery is nice, but doesn't have the settings available that the add in to the previous version of Photo Gallery had. Very disappointing.
Good job on Movie Maker, but what in the heck have you guys been doing with WLPG for the last two years?
Loosing Mesh! That is my favorite feature of windows live messenger package. Personal messengers are really dead because everyone uses Facebook messenger. Why would Microsoft take out a feature now when a replacement is not up to the same standers as the old? I will stay with the old until forced off or unless I have the ability to just install Mesh as a stand-alone. Mesh is a great P2P.
I was looking at that before and after demo. I actually prefer the before demo. Because those bumps make it look authentic, with that mountain biker. http://www.geekchoice.com
Disappointing that there were no UI and speed improvements.
Now that I've had a chance to work with Movie Maker for W8, I realize that it's just Windows Live Movie Maker with a few (overdue) tweaks. How disappointing.
Though the long overdue reintroduction of wave forms is nice to see, it accentuates the most obvious weakness of WLMM: no timeline. When you have the three wave forms visible, the vertical storyboard is even MORE difficult to work with. Even at the best of times, the storyboard constantly forces your eyes to move right; move down; move left; move right again. [In a horizontal timeline, all your eyes do is go left and right.] Now, with the extra wave forms, your eyes have farther to travel, and with more information to pass over.
No wonder almost all commercial video programs use a horizontal timeline: it's so much more efficient, especially with a large, widescreen monitor.
In the end, no number of tweaks will make WLMM as efficient to use as Movie Maker 6.0, and it will never be anything more than a slideshow maker. The lack of participation on Movie Maker forums shows just how unusable this storyboard Movie Maker is.
@Kevin C - ref your post copied below to which you asked for feedback. I installed the Media Feature Pack but still get the same error. ( Trying to launch Movie Maker or Photo Gallery gives can't find MF.dll ? )
Massive Fail. You pulled LiveMesh and didn't replace the RDP function which is a big deal for me. Not upgrading unless I can replace this. I suppose I could switch to LogMeIn or something.
Can you please stop bundling Photo Gallery and Movie Maker together, if you only do it for the horrible slideshow please stop now. You improve many things but one thing that gets worse by the years is the slideshow . I remember back in the day when you offered a great slideshow, it used the whole screen and you could select the speed. The current slideshow does not even use the whole screen, you have for some reason thought that having a black line over and under the image would be a good idea, it's not. I do not like the slideshow with Photo Gallery, but it was usable. Then I started using the Windows 8 preview with no photo gallery, but with the Windows Photo Viewer, and guess what, there it was, the slideshow I had been missing.
Please, please stop bundling Photo Gallery and Movie Maker, and please let me use Photo Gallery with the slideshow that is used with Windows Photo Viewer. Viewing a photo (without slideshow) is best with Photo Gallery, so I do not want Windows Photo Viewer, but when using slideshow, that one is superior.
I get the following error when i try to install:
"Couldn't install these programs: Photo Gallery and Movie Maker
An unknown error occurred.
My machine is win7 x64 enterprise edition.
@duvl, linxeye and pazzp:
Please come to our official Movie Maker forum where we can provide you with better support. If you don't see an existing thread about your issue, you can make a new thread. Please fill us in on as many details as you can (hardware, Windows version, steps you took and error message that you saw, etc.) to help us troubleshoot your problems.
I am disappointed that SkyDrive have dropped the beta tag but there is no site of selective sync. It's not good with a all or none approach . For me now it's 20GB or 0GB, I do not like it. Some day I would like to add all my photos to SkyDrive (over 200GB), but I do not want that on all my PCs. Now that you are bundling SkyDrive with Windows Essentials and Office, it's time to make SkyDrive a real competitor, add selective sync and syncing of shared folders as well as increasing the maximum storage space.
Any updates to facial recognition in Photo Gallery?
Great update- I'm quite surprised at the video stabilizing feature, it shows there's more than just basic cutting+pasting and a few visual effects for Movie Maker!
I also like the audio waveforms and built-in h.264!
Small typo, "... the Microsoft Outlook..." sounds like engrish. (I'm Chinese as well.)
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I'm so pleased Windows Live Essentials hasn't been killed off!
It's annoying Windows Live Messenger hasn't been upgraded to allow for Facebook offline message sending (it's infuriating to be typing a long message, they go offline and you cannot even copy/paste what you've typed so far).
It's also a shame Photo Gallery hasn't been updated to have better People Tagging recognition, this needs some work but it's good to see Auto Collage now being integrated.
It's pretty obvious Writer is going to gradually be replaced with Word 2013 and Messenger/Mail are getting replaced with Metro Messenger/Mail but Metro Photos is no competitor for Photo Gallery and Movie Maker has no Metro app.
The fact Microsoft hasn't even updated them to remove the Windows Live name says they won't be in the next release. It's interesting to see Photo Gallery and Movie Maker have resorted back to their original Vista names.
Personally I only use Windows Live Messenger and Windows Live Photo Gallery, and even Messenger I'm using less and less for Facebook Messenger for Windows (plus a bit of Metro Messenger).
I'd really like to try out the new features of this update, but as many others have said already, there's no way if this new version removes all the highly useful syncing features of Live Mesh without a proper replacement (p2p sync, selective sync, arbitrary folder sync, remote desktop).
This was really an un-wise decision, especially in the light of MS's not-so-continuous history of synchronization solutions. Really, when you came up with Live Mesh as something finally useful after several less glorious attempts, did you really have to ditch it again?!
hohansen is right, I too do not want 25GB of SkyDrive data synced across all my devices. We need to be able to select which files/folders get synced and frankly not have to rely on some dumbass copy of DropBox that limits syncs to a single folder.
hohansen is also right the slideshow in Windows Live Essentials 2009 (reused in Windows 7/Windows 8's Windows Photo Viewer) is much better than the slideshow in Windows Live Essentials 2011/Windows Essentials 2012.
In a comment above I complained about absence of a "no nonsense" full screen mode. Now I installed the updated Photo Gallery and found a fullscreen mode with "classic theme" (non moving/tinted/younameit) and media player style controls. In fact it appears to be similar to the one known from the Vista aera. Apparently it appears to also fiddle with the video mode which is quite nasty.
I also agree that Mesh should not have been dropped until more of its features were added to SkyDrive. I use Mesh for PC to PC syncing on large folders that I don't need in the cloud and also for multiple folders as you can only have 1 SkyDrive folder. Also, the remote desktop feature has help me out on several occasions. Removing Mesh at this time seems to be a step backwards.
Fantastic, I like a lot of this product package, Thank You! =)
Not related to topic, but: When you add here the opportunity to log on using the Microsoft account, as in other services? It is annoying that there should be a separate user account! In addition, I have just discovered that the signature section of the settings does not work...
Yet another proposal: Pictures of the article would be nice to look at a good system, so that they appear in the same window over the article! Now when you click on the pictures you have to move to a new page and out of the article.
Big mistake to kill of Mesh.
It provides synchronization of files between systems (and not just the 'cloud')
and more importantly, it provides rock solid RDP so I can manage or work on my systems remotely.
Taking this away from us before offering a super duper alternative just plain STINKS!
I use Live Mesh to easily access my various desktops remotely - and based on the installer (which I cancelled) and the information found here:
it seems that I cannot move to Essential 2012 and continue to use Live Mesh. What a mess. Does this mean Live Mesh is going the way of not being supported any longer? Big disappointment.
I have to join in to the chorus regarding Live Mesh. Losing the features for file synchronization and remote desktop are non-starters.
I've had a look at windows live mail 2012, and was very disappointed to find that in the folder pane you still can't navigate to a folder using its first character or characters. This is extremely useful for those who use only the keyboard, for example blind users. I don't understand why this hasn't been fixed, is it really that difficult to fix it? The functionality is available in Outlook, so why not windows live mail?
Frankly the best UI theming Windows Live has had was the 2008 version. Color, icons, clean un-cluttered interface (frequently used operations in a toolbar instead of the throw-everything-together-ribbon bloat). I've even got Windows Live Mail 2008 running next to the new Windows Live Mesh (I pulled the individual installers out of the "All" package, cause I'm a rebel like that). Mesh 2008 also had that nice blue orb animation when syncing and gave more detailed feedback. Soo much better than the current iteration and the even more pathetic SkyDrive program. Here's a thought, give us more options, customization, expert options, etc instead of killing useful products/features and locking us into a single UI style! Oh, and ending support for Vista is completely arbitrary. There's no reason it can't be supported with the Platform Update installed (if even that).
I love Photo Gallery and have been using and promoting it to friends and family for a good while now. However is there any way you can get this fixed when I rotate photos: "E:\Pictures\Phone Pics\Gil's IPhone_4S\IMG_1309.JPG - Error code: (0x80070057)"
Really needs BING Maps support for Geo Tags to be competitive to iPhoto, we should not have to use Microsoft Pro Photo Tools still!!
Also Face Detection stills needs to be improved to make it easier it should offer groupings of who it thinks it is and learn as we tell it, I always seem to have to tag all my photos rather than it detecting correctly.
Also on very large photos 10,000 x 4,000 pixels (like a panoramic school photo) it doesn't detect faces automatically at all!!…
Downloaded it to test it out but the benefits do not compensate for the lose of windows live mesh.
I don't believe for a second that there is any technical reason to exclude video stabilization from win7 version. Sound like typical MS BS.
I'm simply delighted that you choose to update the Essentials suite; after over a year of silence and basically no leaks whatsoever on an eventual 2012 version, I was really expecting nothing more on this.
However, I'm gonna have to side with a few persons here: if that uninstalls Mesh, I just won't install it.
I get it. You're betting everything on SkyDrive and Mesh is going the way of the dodo, but I DO NOT WANT to have to sync my entire SkyDrive folder on every PC. Period. For instance, at work, I want my favorites to sync, but there is no way my personal documents and pictures are ending up on my employer's machines.
I can do without RDP or P2P sync, but the selective syncing is a must have for me. I really hope you don't kill Mesh BEFORE adding that feature to SkyDrive (if ever).
Anyways, congrats for not leaving us with the old 2011 versions of Movie Maker and Photo Gallery on Windows 8. But you have to understand that even though SkyDrive is getting better all the time now, its not ready yet for everyone.
Apparently there is an issue with running Movie Maker when the DDI Version is not correct. I have 4 Win7 machines. When running dxdiag, all 4 show DirectX 11, but are showing DDI Version as 9Ex. For this reason, Movie Maker will not load. I have 1 Win8 preview machine that shows DirectX 11 but does not show a DDI Version. Movie Maker runs just fine. It's my understanding there is a hotfix for the issue when DirectX 10 is showing a DDI of 10Ex. Hopefully, we can get a hotfix for DirectX11 with a DDI of 9Ex. Until then, I have no choice but to go back to Essentials 2011.
My main request on this new version of Movie Maker is for a few more special effects, particularly "old film" style effects which would add simulated scratches, slight jiggling, and specks. And while it's a bit of a stretch, perhaps contrast adjustment (+ and -) and the ability to do some cropping would be nice as well. Thanks, team. :)
An absolutely horrible decision to remove Live Mesh's feature that a ton of your user base users for 1. Remote Desktop and 2. PC to PC synchronization. If this functionality is going to be added into Skydrive app, then the skydrive app should have been updated with this functionality prior to Live Mesh going away.
@Kevin C : I'm indeed running a N version of Windows. Works great now. Might be wise to update the error message so the user can know how to fix it ? :)
Love Everything but the no YouTube. I use this software every day and I'm glad it got an update. But I wish there was YouTube support.
There's much to like about the new Windows Movie Maker 2012 version. In early tests the stabilization feature on Windows 8 systems knocks the pants off similar stabilizing features of Virtual Dub and Adobe Premiere.
Brad's blog is well done and the comments are a great place for a single rant or rave about the new release.... those interested in longer term discussions about this and other versions of Windows Movie Maker are invited to join 230+ members of my facebook group for Windows Movie Maker. Here's the link.
I'm still highly irritated over the removal of Live Mesh. I'm stuck between testing out new functionality of Photo Gallery or not being able to RDP into my PCs/Server. If this continues, I might just hop off SkyDrive/Windows Live all together. I'm not too happy that an app was forcefully uninstalled from my machine for no other reason that "it's dead, Jim". You guys should NEVER forcefully uninstall ANYTHING from our machiens, no matter how depreciated it is.
Knock some heads around, do a dance, do whatever, but please let us re-install Live Mesh, or find a way to bring its RDP functionality to the SkyDrive app!
BRonCOde - I heartily agree with your skepticism that video stabilization cannot be done on Windows 7. In fact, I'm sure they could have done it for Vista users too, because that's where so much of the GPU utilization was established for Windows.
When you consider that video stabilization was introduced in iMovie in 2009, on an OSX that was behind Windows at the time on GPU utilization, the Windows 8-only requirement seems like a load of malarkey.
Ah well, the apparently overworked WLMM development team (and the handful of apologists and sycophants for WLMM) will of course ignore this issue and dismiss any specific criticism as ranting and raving.
Norwegian download link is broken, g.live.com/.../wlsetup-web.exe
Please fix it:-)
Why not publish it in the Windows 8 Store / Marketplace?
I use Windows Live Mesh on Windows 7 for syncing my favorites, as well as for remote desktop. None of these services is offered by the new Skydrive app. These new version of Windows Essential is forcing to remove Mesh.
Now I face a dilemma: leave microsoft for favorite sync and remote desktop and use other services, or not update Essentials?
Was very happy with WLE 2011 so was happy to install this right away, big mistake. For some reason I am forced to uninstall Live Mesh which offers amazing tools for synchronization which SkyDrive has yet to implement. Also my photo gallery is no longer able to edit photos, something the 2011 version could do with 0 issues. Uninstalling and reverting to 2011 until these issues are fixed, most likely will never reinstall if it means losing Live Mesh.