Windows Phone “Mango” – Released to Manufacturing

great news to hear and thanks for the information,now all we´ve got to do is to keep our fingers crossed for a timely and unanimous distribution of the Juicy mangos

Good to hear! Now let's hope that the manufacturers and carrier will not delay this. Late August? Doubtful, but would be wonderful. :)

@Terry Myerson

It will also be greatly appreciated to have some news regarding the rev1.3 focus.I own a HD7 but really feel bad for Focus owners.if the windows phone team is more focussed on mango,i think its a good thing but atleast let the focus owners know they´ll or will not recieve the 7392but will recieve mango along with all other handsets

Hi, Does it support Arabic or Persian Language?? What about VPN????

As a windows phone enthusiast I'm extremely happen to see you guys were able to keep to your time table and that the update will be ontime and available this fall. I'm super eager to get mango onto my focus, and though its barely a year old I'm drooling for one of the new handsets as well. Keep up the good work guys and i really hope that this roll out goes smooth without any hiccups or interuptions. And not that it matters but will the official numbering be 7.1 or 7.5?

So exciting! Can't wait to get the final build.  I love the beta 2 on my Samsung Focus.  Aside from the few expect quirks, it's been a very good experience and so many people love it when I show them.  At first it looks a little confusing to them but once they see all the things I can do without ever going into an app, they are very impressed.  Even got my iPhone 4 buddy to admit he wanted to switch.  About a dozen of my friends and family now have one, and they love theirs.

@Entegy,

Yeah Late August would be wondeful, I'd have it in time for PAX, but I would put that at highly doubtful.  Quite honestly I'd put it somewhere closer to Mid-October.

Simply put first all the Cell Makers get to fiddle with it, and apparently tweak it (this I was unaware, so it appears we do have some OS fragmentation, if only mildly) then the Providers get it.  As we all know AT&T loves to hold on to these things for a while (i.e. forever.)  So even if the cell makers only take 6 weeks to "optimize" AT&T (and others) will likely test for another 6+ weeks, putting us into October (at the earliest.)

HOORAY! Thank you Windows Phone Team

I'm using the beta 2 version, it is AMAZING.

I think we are going to have the update in early September.

I just hope Sprint gets a device with global roaming.  This is the reason I am still using an old Blackberry.  The OS is great, but the OEMs are carriers need a beating, especially Sprint.

I wonder when your implementation of Gmail will be fixed and work like on the 2 other OS. When I delete something I want it in the trash folder. ;)

Great news! Good luck for the Windows Phone. iPhone/Android Killer is here!!!!!!

Also, does this mean that by the beginning of August all carriers should be in the "testing" phase (and will the where's my update chart be updated to reflect that). With 2 months to test, schedule and deliver Im really hoping that my carrier ATT will push it out to the focus by the time i start school (September 26th) but with ATT's track record im betting it will be late october ;/. Either way as long as its before december i'll be content. And while you guys have gotten alot of flack for the update process and the speed of which features and such are being deployed... by october you all will have pushed out 4 updates in just under a year so congratulations to the whole team!

Great news.  Will us developers get the RTM to work with soon?  Or will we be forced to wait for release?

Awesome! Now, who do I have to yell at to get Verizon to deploy it to the Trophy in a timely manner (especially since they seemed to have ignored 7392 completely!)?

Great news, Will all us developers who have the preview build be informed on when we should revert back for the RTM, and also will developers get the chance to receive the RTM update early?

At least now, if anything goes wrong, we know who to hold accountable for any long delays.

Thank you for the transparency.

Great to hear but how/have are you handling/handled this update process differently to NoDo. I was without an update for roughly 3 months post official roll out on T-Mo UK (Omnia7).

@King

For now operators are not yet testing,they have to trace the code to see if all the features implemented in the update will operate to their benefit on their network,if anything doesnt please them,they´ll take it off,and also add all of the things they´ll like to deploy to their customers through the update.

when all this is done,then they shall begin testing the final baked update,to ensure that it works on their devices and the way they want it to.this is when the "where´s my phone update" page will show testing

with all of this, I think er can expect mango to hit the road earliest around mid september(excluding AT&T)

I have a unbranded - off contract Windows Phone. You tell me, I have to wait till FALL to get the update?  I am using the Mango Beta with almost no issues. What are these optimizations you speak off? Why can't I have Mango RTM NOW and once those carriers/oems have loaded their "optimizations" give me an update? I would really like an answer to this one. A honest answer - not the marketing crap please.

signed

one early adopter - WP7 supporter

@galaxyprune

i think the reason is that  Microsoft writes the code of the update but does not do the flashing to the devices,and the way the OS is being flashed varries from OEM to OEM,we might not notice it because the outcome(experience),appears similar on all the phones but what happens under the hood is different,so manufacturers have to take this and optimize it,may be include some firmware update for your phone and then deliver it to you

this is just my thought

This is fantastic new, but I'm a but leery about the rollout. My personal fear - the Samsung Focus 1.3 devices that have yet to get the Mango beta installed. Will these devices get retail Mango without a hitch? If so, great. If it requires this missing update, we have a serious impending fragmentation problem that will destroy any Mango good will.

Please don't blow this. All my pretentious iPhone wielding friends will put me through hell if you mess this up.

Great news guys, well done on the hard work. I was using the beta and was very impressed with the add-ons and how much nicer the system ran. Looking ford to seeing how the final build has come together. I hope the text to speak is better now, because dam that was off a lot lol.

@galaxyprune

Also i think microsoft dont want to bear responsibility for any malfunctioning of your device caused by the RTM version.it was possible to release the better because they knew to a certain extent what could it do to devices and also knew many people will not install it since it is partially cooked.but with the RTM version i bet many people wouldnt want to believe that  it is not yet ready and will just go ahead an install the update,then when something goes wrong with their phones the whole of this blog will be filled with insults towards Microsoft and damage this OS reputation

Again just my thought

Great news guys, well done on the hard work. I was using the beta and was very impressed with the add-ons and how much nicer the system ran. Looking ford to seeing how the final build has come together. I hope the voice to text is better now, because dam that was off a lot lol.

Any comments when will be launched in Brazil!? I am so excited about it! Can't wait to get my hands on one of it!!

Regards,

Paulo Oliveira.

@ Kenny Rawlins

I was under the impression that Microsoft's testing facility was built to be able to simulate the testing that the carriers would be doing.  So they have all the phone models there and pretest before RTM.

I believe there was a problem with some of the Samsung devices because MS was not made aware of all the different firmware versions that Samsung was putting out.  So some versions were not tested.

I also believe that carriers can't make core OS changes.  Any bloatware they want to include will be in the form of apps.  Though the carriers are allowed to have apps that have access to some features that are not in the public API.

I could be completely wrong though.

Ok. I'm very excited too :) I have Mango beta2 on my Omnia7, but please, Microsoft, add a function in multi-tasking, to close the apps. You think that it is necessary? Well, many users think that it's stupid not to put an option like that. I would also like to know, if developers get the latest Mango sooner than users? I hope for september release :))) Make it work!

Do you have any plans to offer the update earlier to dev devices?

Congratulations! Windows Phone Mango looks great. Thank you for all of your hard work!

Mango going RTM means nothing to AT&T users.  It would be a miracle if we saw it this year at all. Expect it to be "testing" for several months.  Heck, we still haven't received the security update!

Does this mean Dorado went gold too?

Can't wait to see this build hit US carriers.  I'm a Verizon user, and I can't wait to replace my Blackberry Bold with some Mango goodness. . . just praying Verizon won't take forever.

I look forward to Mango on my HTC Trophy - but have read nothing about Verizon's lack of update to 7392 that is still in the planning stage. Not very confident that big red is going to push this out anytime soon. Makes it very hard to sell my company on making the switch to Windows Phones.

Yay! Let's hope that the Windows Phone team stays on the fast track from now on, and that this rollout goes more smoothly than the last.

We WP7 early adopters have basically been living in the past for the past 6 months as far as mobile features and available apps, so I'm looking forward to the Mango release to bring this OS up to speed.

A very pleasant surprise this afternoon...congratulations! Now go kick Apple's arse in the stores by winning the hearts and minds of people on the ground, Android is sinking itself.

@fleon / @J45PER / @Arvydas - We're working to get devs an updated build soon. Stay tuned to the dev blog.

@galaxyprune - Our images don't include MO and OEM updates/drivers/etc. This is one of the reasons why we say that using the beta 2 image (which is an MS-only image) voids your warranty on the device and any support from your MO/OEM.

@Arvydas - A clarification on multi-tasking. Just because something is listed in the 'task switcher' does not mean it's running. The apps listed there are in memory, but they're not actually running - so they don't consume CPU or battery...so there really isn't anything there to kill (unless you just want to remove the app from being visually present).

congrats to the WP Team!  a lot of my customers are very interested in windows phones now that i have one (HTC Arrive on Sprint).  several are waiting on Mango to make bulk purchases.  WP7 already works well with Small Business Server 2008/2011 with Exchange 2007/2010 and this should make it even better with Mango.

I see folks talking about a chart showing where updates are - is there a URL to said chart?

Hi,

i hope to get VPN as soon as possible. Its realy important for my job, but Mango is too late for that. :(

And I hope new Phones will support Dual-Core-Phones.

I am wondering - if I bought phone from TMobile Germany (as only them have the Omnia 7 16GB version) and I flashed UK Retail ROM (because the first boot was in Deutsch and I don't know a word in German), when do will I get the update? When the update goes live for Omnia 7 or when the update goes for TMobile DE Omnia 7? (if they have some special contract with you.)

Anyway, congrats to finishing Mango :).

PS: You should have made there more than 5 last apps - 5 is really small number, I am used from my Windows Mobile HD2 device that I normally had 6 - 10 apps running.

PPS: Seriously, add proper support to Europeans with Voice recognition and control - Czech Voice2text is way simpler than English. And you can do nearly half of Europe - as we all speak similar language (similar pronounciation, just different words). And the same for Zune Pass, Bing searching and everything. It is not that hard. If you employ me here, I will be glad to help you with it :).

2 questions...

Will i be able to open encrypted and digitally signed emails in mango?

Will you tell wp7 oems to invest more in hardware build quality?

Any word on when the final Mango SDK will be out?

Will this update support encryption? My employer is going to disconnect my WP7 from the corporate email, calendar, etc on August 10th because it does not support the encryption they say they are required to have by law. Their advice to me is to buy an iPhone 4 or a Black Berry. I love my WP7, but I will have to switch at my next renewal if I can't use it at work. If encryption will not be included with this release, is there anyway to get an estimate? It would be easier to wait if I knew how long.  Thanks!

"We can’t wait to get Mango in your hands..."

Then stop going to carriers first and after OEMs sign off ,release it directly to uslike Apple would.

@slaythoven

while i agree with you that microsoft should stop going to carriers i disagree with them not going to OEMs

the iphone hardware is made by one OEM that is toshiba,whereas WPs hardware are many by Samsung,HTC,Nokia,etc

all i mean is that on WP we have variety,just running the same OS,so there's need for OEM testing to make it work on all the hardwares

Congradulations to the whole WP team on RTM! - we're definately looking forward to seeing Mango. :)

HTML 5 is great for those modern sites but why not flash support as well? I haven't heard very much talk about video playback on web pages after Mango. My old Samsung Epic with 6.5 had Skyfire and I could play video right on the MTV webpage.  Will IE9 do this???????????? My Focus is ready!

@Rodney E.

Windows phone will never support flash,according to microsoft it is resource consumming and insecured.IE9 in mango will allow you to playback videos on webpages which use HTML5,using your native player

Thanks is great news ... lets hope the Samsung devices are not left out during the initial roll-out .

Mango definitely has some cool new stuff under the hood , like you mentioned IE is one of the most anticipated one of them. Personally I also love the cool new stuff coming to Games Hub

Regards

Saijo George

Editor BestWP7Games

Here's to hoping that the IE9 refresh button is customizable as I find myself loading favorites a LOT more than refreshing the same page.

I think the biggest question is: Has turn by turn directions been fixed? Or are licensing issues still going to force us to tap for directions?

Good work Windows Phone team. I see lessons have been learned from NoDo, which is a good sign. Hopefully the carriers now play ball and you continue to put pressure on them to be quicker testing the update.

really nice. glad to hear that.

but now, lets get serious. I'm shocked that a company with such impressive track record, success, innovation, etc, cant get some PROPER MARKETING! I mean, ... its unbelievable. You need to fire those people.

Even your official website for WP7 is a disaster. No information WHAT SO EVER. Just some Office, Xbox live and Marketplace relater stuff and even that is poorly written.

I really hope that you get smart and start with proper marketing - your website first... List of features and capabilities with detailed info and images, videos (and not just abstract like "me series" or "really?" but feature revealing videos so the potential customers can see what wp7 is all about), maybe even some online silverlight based demo of phone, or something like that).

Come on!

I believe that the best option is to include a complete emulator of Windows Phone website, so anyone who visits the website could try the device in its entirety, without relying on the poor service from dealers.

Does Mango include a Chinese language pack?

Great news.   Now looking forward to a few more tidbits on my dev phone to show off and get more poeple interested in Windows Phone.   I tweet about how @windowsphone is easier to use and more efficient than other phones as often as I can.

@Cliff @Brandon, etc, great job!

Enjoy Windows Phone 7.1

-e

I believe that the best option is to include a complete emulator of Windows Phone website, so anyone who visits the website could try the device in its entirety, without relying on the poor service from dealers.

Now make sure to NOT make us wait for a year to get it.

Does Mango include Ukrainian language pack?

Will Mango be available for unlocked devices? The reason I'm asking is because my mobile carrier is stuck on WM6.5 and for some reason the LOVE to sell those awful BB6, so they don't support WP7, it would be great if it is available to be downloaded from Zune to all devices no matter the carrier, I'll take care of configuring the network.

Thanks!

Can't wait to get hands on it. Hopefully all the small, but important, features are now there.

umm...

What's with the SMS delivery notifications? They’re still stored in the inbox with no relation to the original SMS they belong to. There is not even the name of the recipient in it. Just the MSISDN. Phones from 10 years ago can handle this; why not WP7?

this is the best news this year, Christmas in july!

@Cliff Simpkins Yes, I would like to swipe or press X to remove the apps that are presented there. Number 5 is not enough. In Mango Beta2 there are a lot of things that bug me. Music player usually shows 2 windows, sms app does that ofter, too. Also, please include a button to go back to all albums/artist from now playing. Because I don't love the way it's now. You have to go to homescreen, press zune and then press music :) As many users noticed, please bring tabs windows back to IE9. We don't want it to be shown in menu. And as I said, please make the App Switcher 5 number bigger. Let's say 7-10. Because 5 cards are not enough

Well done to the entire WP team on the RTM of Mango. I've tried the Mango Beta 2, now restored back to NoDo, and it was amazing and stable. Going back to NoDo has shown me just how much is in Mango that I miss so can't wait for the update.

Fantastic news! Can't wait until that little update message pops up.

You say near the end "....and give us feedback on where to go next" - I would love to be able to give some constructive well considered feedback and have been looking for the right channel. What's the right way of submitting this feedback on WP7? Not developer feedback, but usability/functionality observations and ideas for new features.

wpdevpodcast tweet: "We've got 7,712 reasons for you to look forward to tomorrow! :)"

So... Mango build 7712 (7712 RTM or 7720??) for dev tomorrow? :-D

Great News,but what about skinning UI and new way to read all notifaction for chosing any application that i want to see, and increase the frame for xna games, and backgroud image for home and kill the apps in multitasking screen..., can i have some answers. I'm hesitating to buy the WP7 for some function that i think that is mandatory for any OS

@Terry Myerson  

All, I can say is... I'm giddy with anticipation.   You and your team should be commended for what is just a fantasitic tool.  The phone is simply a joyous pleasure to use.  And Mango looks like it is going  to round out a all the rough edges.

I do have a question for the WindowsPhone team regarding this RTM to carriers. We've had thousands of developers running Mango on all these carriers for weeks now, and I don't believe anybody's seen any carrier-related issues. So why does MS have to get carrier blessing at all? Why not push out an update through Zune to all customers? This is what Apple is able to do with iOs, both on AT&T and Verizon - I don't see why we have to have the Carriers mucking up, delaying, and generally FUBAR'ing the process.

Could we get some insight into this seemingly unnecessary step in the process?

Well done Phone Team!  Now please let us devs get our hands on the RTM as soon as possible - also the devs in the 'new' countries that now have access to App Hub and MarketPlace.

I am very happy to hear this!!  I am excited for Mango release, as well as new phones coming out.  I was curious if a fix for the  Text Message160 character limit (without auto-flow to multiple texts) problem on the Sprint HTC Arrive will be resolved in Mango, or if we have to wait longer for a fix for that?  I do a lot of texting, and having to split my text messages manually has become a really big pain in the you know what...

And. When I find the list of the 7,000 modified about WP7 Mango?

@ technotribalgirl

I think you should address your complain to your carrier sprint,because I don´t think tha has to do with microsoft,since most other phones(like my HD7 on Bell Canada) just splits the text for me,all i do is type even 500 characters and send the text,the network and carrier handle the rest(split it and deliver it)

@awm: Good Point. I'm guessing that this wasn't a general call to arms to get the public to send their feedback because there doesn't seem to be an official way to do this which is a real shame.  Microsoft Answers is useless for this sort of thing although someone has tried very hard, even got a ‘sticky’ created which attempts to track quirks, gripes and feature requests against what’s included in the latest phone update revision.

On a general note, I’m very excited that Mango has RTM’d much earlier than expected but I am much less convinced that Microsoft or the MOs have learned the lessons of the NoDo debacle.  I don’t see the overall mechanism changing in time for Mango. It might as well RTM now because we’re not going to see the bits with much time left out of 2011 unless you purchase a new phone or you’re a dev.

I hope that developers get a pre-release of the RTM code in the same fashion that they released the beta.  It can take the carriers a while to get their release ready.

@CtrlAltDel, I 100% support your point that there must be an innovative concept-sharing/idea-gathering portal (something like MS-Sketchflow prototyping tool or conecptshare.com), where MS's customers can suggest and submit their ideas and hence can play their role more vigorously in the software development life cycle. And yes Microsoft Answers and MSDN Forums needs to be reconstructed, merged or improved to make the users’ collaboration powerful! The closest thing that I have seen, thus far, is connect.microsoft.com where you can submit your feedback (not sure if they have started the WP7 section there). Otherwise, you can look at the corresponding MSDN-blogs where you can click on Email to Author, and submit your feedback directly to the dev-team guys besides dropping off your comments. I have observed (from IE's MSDN blog) that the Email to author does work and those guys do reply.

BTW, I am having problem with lock screen swiping of my HTC Surround. Sometimes, it requires me multiple attempts (3-4, 7-8 and even 15-20 times!) to slide the lock screen. Due to this disastrous issue, sometimes I miss the incoming calls. Please tell if anyone else is getting this issue with HTC surround or (any other WP7 handset!) and also if someone has any idea if this bug will be disinfected in MS-Mango? Please Anyone?

It looks like the update is out now, my HD7 just notified me when I plugged it to the PC, as well Zune is currently updating itself. Is it safe to say that Mango is being installed on my HD7? If it is, I'm the happiest 27 year old kid in the whole universe :D

Thanks!

By the way I love the song of the teaser, does anybody know what's the title and the artist?

Can you update to Mango using Zune?

It was only a firmware update, I was wrong, sorry for the false alarm :S

@Luis Trejo

I was just about to tell you that

Congratulations .... now it's time to finish the job. Does the Samsung 1.3 security issue remind you guys of tasks left undone?

Great!! Mango will be the best thing that ever happened since...the mango fruits :)

Yum!

I can't wait to get the official version on my ATT Focus!!! though given the fact that Nodo took about 5-8 months from RTM (Dec' 2010) to get to the ATT Focuses of the world (depending on 1.3 vs 1.4 HW)... is there any hope for me to get this before Xmass? I wonder if anyone's started a poll out there...

I'm sorry but any news on Google chat/ Google voice with Mango?

I did read FB chat is on its way...please confirm

Can't wait for mango. Can someone tell me is there going to be an option to setup time of the day when the phone can check for new emails. I think it's going to be a huge battery saver.

i will get my Windows Phone 7 Mango in September! Can't wait! :)

Woo.  It's hard for me to get excited about your internal milestones when you've given me no reason to believe that any of us real users out here will get Mango on our phones anytime soon.  You've RTM'd plenty of WP7 releases since launch, but your track record for deploying them is far, far, FAR from stellar.

So forgive me if I don't feel like celebrating with you.

I'd love to celebrate with you at "all updates successfully delivered to all phones worldwide" time, but it's pretty clear there will never be such a time.

In an effort to get some info for the Samsung Focus 1.3 users (including myself), I have been exchanging emails with Brandon Watson, Senior Director, Windows Phone Apps. I have attempted to explain to him that all we want is some information about the 7392 update for 1.3 devices. He appears to be very open to trying to help. The last email I received from him states that he believes it is being rolled into the Mango RTM update. He went on to say that if I am not a developer, I don't need the 7392 update right now. He finished by indicating that he wanted to verify this information. I know this is not a firm answer, but at least we got something. I'm sure he will get back with me after verifying the info and I will pass it on here. Hope that helps a little.

@TwiceBitten...please forgive my bluntness, but why exactly are you here?  There seems to be no point to your post, except to just walk by the door and toss a grenade in.  I just don't understand it.  There just doesn't seem to be any way to please you.  I'm a Focus 1.3 owner.  I have NoDo but, along with all other 1.3 version owners, have been waiting for 7392 to finally get rolling (and now it appears that it may be rolled into Mango).  While this is frustrating, I'm feeling much more confident in the Mango rollout than I was in the NoDo rollout.  Mostly, this is because it seems to be generally going well with the developers.

@ Terry

Will "mango" & "marketplace" get to South Africa? & when will it?

Congrats to the team! Mango looks very promising. Now if you improve the roll out process (and you have to improve it big time), this will be perfect!

I have an HTC HD7 Phone, which is extremely satisiying me, and I am very pleased with it.. But there's still one thing that bugs me: 8GB only!!

I think that Windows Phones should have more high standards for storage. Microsoft should set minimum standards for OEMs and phones manufacturers, inorder to standardize all Windows Phone devices, similar to iPhone.

At least, any devices should have 32GB storage capacity, since smartphones should have space enough to stay smart!

I told you I am proud of my Phone, but now I only have 2.94GB left free, although I don't have much music or pictures files, just apps...

Wish to be helpful, because Windows Phone really changed the way I use phones and devices.

@abm,

I had similar problems with my surround and I noticed that it always occured when I had it in my pocket.  I think the surround must have some sort of feature that detects when it's being used and when it's just getting bogus input from being pushed up against my leg.

Interestiningly when I got my Focus I had to turn off "Allow Voice Commands from lock" because my phone would occasionally "pocket dial/search/ect." from being squished up to my leg (triggering the windows button, opening search.

Does this sound like your problem?  If so I think it's less of a "bug" and more of a poorly implimented feature.

I would highly recommend getting your hands on the Beta 2. Mango is very refined and works extremley well on my Focus.  Sure, I can't use Zune anymore (I know I can isntall the 4.8 Beta) but that was worth the risk.  By the time AT&T releases their bloated version of Mango, it will probably be November or later.  Not worth the aggravation. Remember all the negative Posts when Nodo was Delayed for Months...... Do IT!!!

Windows Phone Mango RTM: What is still missing?

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I'm dying for Mango

I realize that the Beta release of mango to developers is mainly to get a jump start on building applications. Is there any documentation on the basic user experience features in Mango available? Also if I experience user experience bugs what is the proper place to post bug reports or is our feedback suppose to be limited to API and development questions and issues?

Bill Walter

Thaks for the answers Terry, but are Linkedin contacts supossed to show up or not ?

Although there are a lot of issues with Mango from inside, they might be fixed in later Tango, Appolo etc. But in order to attract the new buyers, the determining factors will be the hardware like the look of the device, storage and so on.

This is also because for the new buyers who are coming from feature phone, they will have to go a thorough tutorial in order to understand and use the full mango feature unlike iOS which has less learning curve so it really doesn't matter for them on what is mango and how does it work since they are unlikely to spend a week on just learning the mango. This is the ugly truth about a new platform but the great part of this OS is it is really smooth, a different kind of experience that is not found in iOS (it has its own uniqueness compared to WP7) and far better than android. This is something I found on talking to few of the users of WP7, they don't know about the feature and don't bother to know because they don't spend time learning those and nobody is out there to show them how. All they cared was about the UI and its smoothness.