Live near Seattle? Be the first to try a Mango phone!

Live near Seattle? Be the first to try a Mango phone!

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If you’ve been wondering what the fuss is about with this Mango stuff we’re always yakking about here, now’s your chance to find out. 

The folks behind the popular tech blog GDGT (pronounced “gadget”) are hosting a free GDGT Live event in Seattle tomorrow night and we’ll be there with Mango phones for you to demo.

This is the first time we’ve offered a public hands-on demo of the next release of Windows Phone, and we’re really excited to see what you think. There’s also going to be a lot of other cool tech stuff there. So come on by! This event is free, all-ages, and open to the public.

When: Friday, August 5th. 7 – 10pm
Where: Showbox SoDo, 1700 1st Avenue South, Seattle, WA

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  • I think the difference is that with Android so much of it HAS to be tweaked, in a way that has nothing to do with apps and more about the OS or the device itself.  In unlocking WP7 the point has almost nothing to do with tweaking (though, admittedly, a couple of registry entries need changed to open up some things) and more to do with simply allowing "unpublished" apps to be installed.  Seriously, I made two registry changes and everything else was simply sideloaded apps.  So, there's really no customizing I'm doing.  I'm just able to run apps that you can't find in the Marketplace.

  • tsrblke
    327 Posts

    @Scuba,

    Well not to mention that the whole reason I got a WP7 (besides winning one) was that I didn't want to jailbreak it.  If I wanted to to do that, I'd have gone Android, and gone tweak crazy as well.

    Fact is, Apple was mocked relentlessly when they didn't allow the LED to be used as a flashlight (which they later fixed), and MS made the same mistake.  That needs to be fixed (even it it's just an API tweak that lets others capitalize on it.)

    I stand by what I said before, you'll live our die by the presence of the top 100 apps being in your marketplace, regardless of how well you differentiate yourself, the mass market tends to want basically the same feature set.  Flashlight is one of those.

  • @tsrblke, I can't fault you for that, to be sure.  Better safe than sorry.  I've not regretted it, but I've seen posts from folks who did regret it.

  • tsrblke
    327 Posts

    @Scuba

    Yeah, I'm going to stay resistant to unlocking my phone right now.  I can't afford to have another one go belly up, and I just don't need a flashlight quite that much.

    Rather I'd like to see an app that does it right, and I'm hoping one of the API's in Mango does that.

  • @tsrblke, yes, the app works on other phones.  Basically, here's how that works: HTC chose to access certain OS & hardware features for which no "official" APIs were available to regular developers.  Some enterprising folks figured out how to reverse engineer and port it so that it was less device-specific.  Yes, it requires unlocking your phone.  I was resisting unlocking my phone at first, but there simply were homebrew apps that I needed and I believe it was a huge mistake for other OEMs to NOT take advantage of and huge mistake for Microsoft to not allow publishing of them.  The flashlight apps is a perfect example.  It's a simple app, accessing a very basic function of the device in a simple way.  I can't imagine going back to one of those lame "make your screen white" flashlights now that I can use the LED.  Anyway, I didn't use the "Walshie Method" for unlocking but, rather, I used the earlier--safer--method just prior to updating to NoDo.  I'm anxious to hear more about the new officially-sanctioned homebrew process that's supposed to be available with Mango (costs only $9 to register).  That should open the doors on folks getting to sideload apps.

  • gahbmwm5
    16 Posts

    @Conny,

    I have viewed 'some Focus' ads in the fine Sunshine state....(this was 1-2 months ago), but have now relocated to CA, and have seen absolutley nothing....Even the AT&T Corp store in this area has virtually NO appearence of the WinPhone 7  support info....

    The sales representative that I chatted with......had NO idea regarding the device on this platform....!      

    I then discussed this 'query' with their store manager........who informed me that AT&T is 'going' to conduct sales training directed to the WindowsPhone 7 platform in the 'near future'...............................

  • Conny
    60 Posts

    How was the turnout Michael? Did you guys have fun (I'm sure you did, I mean, how can you not with this great OS).

    That said, and it's been asked often, why isn't Microsoft advertising its product more aggressively? I, and I'm sure many others, are worried that with the lack of exposure, Windows Phone will go by the way of the dinosaur before it's ever really alive.

    Personally I worry that low sales will force MS to abandon this great platform before long, and I'd  hate to see this happen.

    It seems that you guys are relying heavily on word of mouth to sell your product. While that isn't a bad idea, it shouldn't be the main way to get people interested.

    I don't know how it is in other states, but here in central Arkansas I haven't seen a Windows Phone commercial in months.

    If you have any insight into the train of thought behind the lack of advertising, please share it with us. Because I can't figure it out to save my life.

  • gahbmwm5
    16 Posts

    @ScubaDog2011

    Yes indeed......still  a touch perplexed regarding the AT&T Focus v1.3 update to SSL 7392...Oh well...as mentioned MS needs to ADVERTISE this beautiful Metro OS!!!

    Longtime fan of iOS...as my BRO just purchased a i-Phone 4.....we are almost twins...lol, and he felt the overall iOS being cluttered.....lol  

    So I infomed him how enamoured I have been with WinPhone 7....lol.....Pushing him to make the change!

  • If anybody made it to the event tonight, please post a comment and let me know what you thought!

  • Awwwww I wish I lived near you guys at Microsoft :(

  • King
    32 Posts

    From the comments it looks like i might be the only one in the area. Im Gonna try really hard to make the event. hope its not too too crowded and that the parking doesnt suck.

  • tsrblke
    327 Posts

    @ ScubaDog2011

    The HTC app works on other phones?  Let me guess you have to break your phone to get it in there don't you? I agree the lack of flashlight is crazy beyond belief.  If there were one feature I miss on my surround that'd be it.

  • @gahbmwm5, thanks for that info and, yes, mine's also a 1.3 version.  On a side note, I just think it's a bit ridiculous that we were all blocked from the 7392 update while Microsoft, Samsung and AT&T worked on the issue with the 1.4 version, and then THEY get that update but we don't.  I mean, seriously?  Anyway, if loading up Mango Beta 2 is going to break my ability to do homebrew when I jump back to NoDo, I might have to rethink.  I have several homebrew apps I rely on -- including the LED flashlight -- that I don't want to give up.  I understand there will be a much more reasonable cost and method to installing homebrew when everyone moves to the official Mango, but I want to see a bit more on how that will work and what limitations we might see.  

    I totally understand Microsoft's determination to keep the user experience clean and consistent regardless of device.  That's one reason why they require everything to go through the Marketplace.  And, clearly, they understand the drive of the homebrew developer community and the fact that they are going to continue to do great work that may or may not meet the criteria to make it onto the Marketplace.  But, the fact ultimately is that, for whatever reason, there may be a number of things (APIs, etc.) that stop some important apps at the door....unless we can sideload the app.  The LED flashlight is a perfect example.  It's absolutely ridiculous that such a simple app isn't on the Marketplace, yet one OEM successfully implemented it and the app works perfectly well on the other WP7 devices.  Anyone who calls the plethora of "flashlight" apps that are in the Marketplace worthwhile needs to have their head examined.  I'm sure, with all the new APIs being made available, we'll see a more high quality, truly substantive apps out there.  But I'm also certain there will STILL be apps that will only ever be available as a sideload.  So.....I need to do a bit more contemplating. ;)

  • gahbmwm5
    16 Posts

    @ScubaDog2011,

    I enjoy your posts....nice writing, as I recall that you too have a Samsung Focus v1.3 device. I too have the same device but currently am running NoDo (albeit branded_locked via AT&T)...I too 'have been tempted to load up the Mango Beta 2 files'....but have not.  From my research....on those clever sites...xda...lol  All Mango Beta 2 files have relocked the device, then those who are bold reverse back to Nodo, then run the neccessary tools to keep the device unlocked again when updating to the Mango Beta 2 files....(Keeping backups all-over as the required Beta Zune client utilized to successfully update 'will' delete the default PC/Windows Phone backup...

    I have a Patriot 16GB Class 4 card have not had any issues at all....(Card being fully utilized, however this is with NoDo...)

    Will patiently await official Mango release...but wish you success for your 'beta_Mango' informational goals!

  • Please put more effort in marketing WP7 Mango. Transition of Mango from WP7 is insanely great and awesome and I can't wait to hold a Mango device. Great going Microsoft and best of luck for the future.

  • wish there were events in the DC/MD/VA area for us to attend. WP7 needs to get out nationwide

  • KR
    503 Posts

    Y´all in the states are even lucky you´ve got one event(and hopefully more on the way),Just a little bit north of the Map(Canad) Microsoft doesn´t even talk much about mango or even worst doesn´t even talk about Mango device or any future exhibition of such to the public.

    Well it doesn´t even surprise me,since there wasn´t even a campaign last year at the lunch of Windows phone,Luckily the Carriers in Canada promoted Windows phone for the first couple of months,via TV adds and flyers

  • KR
    503 Posts

    @Scubadog2011

    I read somewhere(can´t remember where) that when you drop back to Nodo you´ll have to unlock your device again,I can´t confirm since i haven´t tried it

  • Conny
    60 Posts

    I'm with Rodney on this too. Get these phones out to people. 50 States, 50 Events.

    I'll volunteer for the central Arkansas area =D

  • Let me clarify...it's not "technically" available to everyone.  Only to registered developers.  HOWEVER, some clever folks found that the way to download the necessary file to make the system believe your machine qualifies.  The step-by-step video over at PocketNow is a good tutorial, and while it's a number of steps and reboots and wait-time, it's not bad.  I did pick up from the PocketNow report how important it was to make a back up of the back up of the back up because of how the Beta and Beta Refresh process works.  I'm cool with having to drop back to the NoDo in order to update to the "official" Mango release.  I'm glad to hear there doesn't appear to be issues with devices having the additional memory card installed.  One last query, though---Right now my NoDo Focus is unlocked (I can load & run homebrew apps).  So, I have read that a few folks, I'm guessing to test the drop-back process, have upgraded to the Mango Beta 2 then loaded back to NoDo.  Has anyone done with with an unlocked device to see if the device remains unlocked?

  • KR
    503 Posts

    One more thing is that if you lose your NoDo backup,then your a bound to use the Mango Beta forever on your phone,not even a hard reset can help

  • KR
    503 Posts

    @Buckeyetico

    Its available for everyone,but

    NB

    1-It voids your warranty

    2-Any issues caused by the beta to your phone is entirely your own responsibility

    3-if you are a developer microsoft covers any damage it causes to ONE of your phone

  • @ Kenny Rawlins - Is the Mango Beta available to everyone or just to developers?

  • KR
    503 Posts

    I am so tempted to install this mango Beta on My device but i just have a bad feeling about it,if only Mango can be here in September

  • pedah
    6 Posts

    @scubadog2011  I put a 32 Gb card in my HTC HD7 and the update went smoothly, space for backup is the key, and remember you will have to save your Nodo backup, and revert to it before you get real mango. If you go from Mango beta 2 to mango beta 2 refresh, you will have to have your nodo backup, to get back to update officially. It's complicated, you need the nodo backup, cause the Mango beta backups over write the backups yo previously hav made. If you are going to update move or copy your existing backups, or you will not be able to go back to real phone state, rather than the state that was created to get the beta out to developers.

  • @Rodney E. Jones has the right idea....hands-on is by far the best selling tool ('cause the rest of Microsoft's marketing strategy just ain't doin' it).  I'm thinking very seriously of going through the lengthy process of loading Beta 2 on my phone just so I CAN help publicize the goodness.  The only thing holding me back is that I have the 32GB card in my Focus and I've not heard the results of anyone with a similar configuration.

  • That's great but shouldn't we be doing demos of WPM all around the country right about now? Having big events at hundreds of major malls, Best Buys, Carrier Stores, movie theaters, amusement parks etc. Let's do it now! Where should I register to be a representative?

  • tsrblke
    327 Posts

    Heh, sadly I don't live near Geek mecca.  No chance you guys will have Mango phones at PAX is there?  At the pace AT&T moves, that could be my only chance to see Mango this year!

  • KR
    503 Posts

    Waiting for our share of the Mango basket in Canada