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We were sitting around the podcast studio recently talking about phones (of course), and we started reminiscing of a simpler time. Or was it? Things we use our Windows Phones for today, seem so business as usual. But looking back to how we used to get these same things done before, sometimes seems pretty ridiculous! We took a quick moment to knock out this little snapshot looking at 1991 vs. 2011. What would you add?
@Kenny Rawlins, I'm not saying Messenger isn't important, per se....I'm pointing out that the important features are often VERY subjective and, in the grand scheme of all WP7 customers (or potential customers), Microsoft has probably built their own metric of what people are raging for most often. It's useless to jump up and down and get upset because of what we feel are "obvious" failings in WP7. Just because we can cite this blog or that forum where the majority of posters complained about <insert feature here> doesn't mean that is the majority of ALL sources of communication that Microsoft uses to prioritize their work. Like I said, if Microsoft were too frequent the groups I normally run with, they'd find that Messenger is almost a non-issue. Facebook, in contrast tends to be dramatically more important. We simply don't KNOW what Microsoft is using to prioritize their work and how they make their cutoff for what gets folded into a particular update. Again, how long do we want to wait for an update? As I posted elsewhere, I'm running Beta 2, which is by no means complete, but I am so happy with it and so excited that I am anxious for the full release. It's got a number things that still aren't there, a number of things that aren't as fully implemented as I would have hoped. BUT, I'm not so myopic as to insist WP7 is just going to suck and fail because of what's NOT there YET. The Mango update is great. My device runs circles even faster around my wife's iPhone 4, both in terms of speed and features. More importantly, it does what I need it to do the way I prefer to do it better than before and better than the other platforms. Now, I was reading where Japan using another social network far more than Facebook, and I'm sure those folks are probably a bit disappointed that it's not integrated in the way FB is with WP7 (now that their first device is available), and if you were to just poll them they'd probably claim WP7 is an epic fail because of that. The thing is, Microsoft recognizes that FB has the largest customer base world-wide and they have a special relationship with them. I'm not minimalizing the importance of the other social networks or other features, but I suspect I'm closer to the target audience that WP7 was originally envisioned for. Obviously, Microsoft isn't remaining tone deaf and is slowly---some will say TOO slowly---making changes to respond to a wider demographic.
Cute, but there’s nothing in this list that requires a smart phone, much less a Windows Phone. Or was that somehow the point? :confused:
while i agree with you in the sense that i dont think or even care about what they do with messenger and its intergration on WP as long as facebook is there,i'll have to also disagree on it not being a priority,reason being that in the western world Yes facebook users will dominate,but i have friends and also know a lot of people who come from Korea,China and hongkong, who only create facebook profiles when they arrive here in the west,back there they have other forms of social networks and use Messenger a lot to communicate with people around the world and their friends in their country,they just create facebooks to stay in touch with their new friends in the west since thats what the majority uses here.same for most peolpe i know from Africa they rarely use Facebook chat compared to how they use messenger,so if Microsoft is planning on dominating globally they'll have to look into such things
the location thing I think is a very important and Microsoft should address it ASAP
<sigh> @jackleung, then you should have referenced that instead of just posting what looked all the world like a troll-post. Many of us could easily argue that both Android and iOS are "immature and dsyfunction", citing specific examples if need be. At least other people come on here with specific things. However, thank for listing some of the ones near and dear to your heart. Be aware, though, that just because many people take note of a feature that's missing or doesn't work the way they want doesn't mean MOST customers agree. That's the tough thing about designing and refining an OS.
Of the things you listed, some of those are more dependent upon Windows Live rather than Windows Phone, though I'll grant you that they are things that should be addressed. The question is whether or not those are serious enough issues compared to other things that they rise in priority when you have only so many people working them and only so much time to do it. Personally, I think the account issue is something that completely caught them off guard, though in their defense I'd say that most people don't go moving from one country to another all that frequently. That may explain why it didn't occur to them to consider that. As for the Messenger thing, I have so few friends who even use Messenger (they favor FB or Twitter) that I'd be in the camp that doesn't care what they do with Messenger integration, much less make it cover multiple accounts (I never understood the need for multiple accounts in the first place). However, this may simply be one step of many in integrating Messenger (and other communications apps). I'm anticipating we'll hear similar complaints once Skype starts coming on board. The BT issue isn't a showstopper for me, but definitely one I'd agree is annoying....and not fixed in the Beta 2 version of Mango. I haven't seen anyone post about it for the RTM version.
Here's the thing, though. With such a long list of not-ready-for-prime-time issues, as well as just things people wanted added, how long were you willing to wait for ANY update? This seems to be the common battle I get into with people. Surely you folks think most of the changes/fixes in Mango are worthwhile and do improve the platform, right? Are you saying that you don't want Mango to come out until every blasted one of the issues is fixed? Seriously? If that's the case, then we might as well get ready to fight it out, because even playing with Beta 2 of Mango, I'm ready to have the RTM version start rolling ASAP. I'm happy with what HAS been done. I fully expect more updates to come, fixing more of the issues that weren't ready at Mango rollout. I'll be right there along side everyone else listing what additional changes/fixes I'd like Microsoft to consider. But I'd much rather they pump out more frequent updates with fewer items. It doesn't look like that will be their strategy, however.
This infographic is very cool, I love it.
@ScubaDog2011, Silly rabbit? I think you probably brain dead and don't have any idea WTF you are talking about. Most of the bugs have been asked in the official forum like Microsoft Answer and since the launch of WP last year and didn't get answer and address as of right now. U can go ahead and take a look there!
1. Change of Window Live account location: I was living in Hong Kong many years ago so my location was on Hong Kong. But I moved to US already so I need to have a Live account change to US but there is no such option for that. Emailed MS tech support in January and was asked to called. Then spent at least 4 hrs and talk to countless support and comes out as nothing they can do to change it. Fine, then I just use a dummy account registered in US to access the US market free content but don't expect me to link my credit card to a dummy account and spent a penny on your market. And I need to register my primary Live account as a secondary account to access my contacts and daily email.
2. So, WLM finally comes to mango and I just painfully found out they put a ridiculous limitation such that only primary account able to use that (WP, it's only because of your limitation in 1 I have to use a dummy account in the first place).
3. Then the BT A2DP not working with video also been reported in day 1 of release and still not being address or not being response by any MS employee yet.
There's a much longer bug list on XDA but above are the things that bug me a lot and still not being address as of Mango 7720.
At a first glance the last illustration looks like a brick with the windows phone logo below it. LOL
Brian, do you have a print ready version (not just higher res) of this poster, preferably in Vector format? We would love to put it up in our store.
@Rodney E. Jones, why do you think Microsoft should create the app you're requesting?
This comment is actually on topic.... I used to read Motor Trend whilst upon the pot, but now I fiddle with WP7. To much info? Well, here's some information that can be useful; there there's no official Motor Trend app in the marketplace. Us gear heads beg you MS app heads please, please, please call Source Interlink Media an get this resolved. Please?
@ ScubaDog2011 – “…couldn’t comprehend the tone of my post…” Yeah right! You were whining about no one (with Mango Beta) telling you about any improvements on Office, about the three “horrifying” colors, about no fonts, etc. I remember you bashing other WP7 users –including myself, because we expect our ‘smartphone’ to pretty much do most of the stuff a laptop can do, but now you are complaining just because you can only do this much (I am holding my thumb and pointer one inch apart) with the Office application on WP7. What did you expect? I full deployed version of Office 2010? Perhaps it’s time for you to move to another platform too! ;o)
Oh, @Jackleung, you silly rabbit. Instead doing exactly what every other hater does, why not take a little time to articulate what "bugs" and what "features" are on your list? You know, a baby just sits in it's playpen and cries because it doesn't have a vocabulary to express exactly what it wants or needs. I should think, if you were sincere, that you might be able to spell out just a few of the concerns instead of just dropping in and saying "it sucks".
1991 - People had to swat for pub quizzes.
2011 - You can now get the answers instantly using Bing Search :-)
Good post.. But, when you click on the pic it actually leads to a lower res pic.. lol.. what's up with that!!
+ for Jack !
@ Brian Seitz.. I guess you took the low-res picture from 1991. Hope you can find the hi-res from 2011 too
Funny but good post
but two things,professors don't allow the use of Wikipedia as an information source for research papers and secondly you still can't play multiplayer games on the XBL hub on Windows phone,so all still turns down to messagng/contacting your friends to meet up somewhere and play on a console which isn't much different from 1991
Android and Apple Troll? I have at least 4 WM phones, no iPhone, 1 Android phone, and 1 WP phone (Samsung focus with 7720, still sucks since it's doesn't allow me to use WLM with secondary account, and many other bugs/miss features since it's release). And I don't think this site is Windows Fans Blog that only allow "I don't care" people with positive comments.
Wow. the Android and Apple trolls are here too? Here's a hint: when you come to a website called windowsteamblog, it's a good bet that it will talk up Microsoft products. And it's also a good bet that the commenters will be fans of Microsoft products. If you want to engage in the Flame Wars, go to Engadget or someplace similar. I for one thought the graphic was funny and yes I love my WP7 Arrive.
Totally agree "The future is better with a smartphone" (In fact, I am so used to that since pocket pc 2002). But as of 2011, it's definitely would be either an Android or IOS phone, not the immature and dysfunction Windows Phone. And the market share just proves it all (52% vs 29% vs > 5%)
@ Brian Seitz great post... it was fun! On a more serious note however. I've noticed no information being communicated to the community regarding any sort of Mango rollout timeframe. I know y'all have learned your lesson in the past (aka y'all hinted at when NoDo was going to be out... then it took longer... then everyone got upset). I would caution you that simply not telling us will not make a long carrier roll out any better. Remember how upset we were when y'all wouldn't give us ANY info at just the beginning of this year? Please don't make us angry again! I started counting the number of days it takes Mango to roll out since the launch of the first Mango phone (aka the Fujitsu IS12T which launched on 8/25) So every day that Mango is not out on AT&T (and for that matter all the other carriers. I assume AT&T will take the longest though) is one point against you. So today the Windows Phone team has a update rollout score of 100/100 tomorrow the Windows Phone Team's update rollout will be 99/100. That gives you a full month (30 days) to not get a big F (for FAIL)... I know 30 days does not seem like alot of time given this year's earlier rollout... but considering Apple gets a 100 every year on their update rollout score I don't know why you should not be held to the same standards. My hope is y'all get at least a D... I know you won't get an A... it will shock me if you get a B. My money is on D or F though.
Now, at the risk of getting someone like @BuckeyeTico all upset, I noticed that Brandon Watson tweeted that there is no API in Mango for activating the LED for use as a flashlight. I really enjoyed using the HTC app on my unlocked Focus, so since I doubt seriously that Samsung will create their own app (hint hint, talk to your smarter brethren at HTC), does anyone know if the new process for sideloading will allow for the use of such apps? I've heard a few rumblings that it's much more restrictive, but nobody seems to be able to qualify what that means post-Mango. I'm perfectly willing to pay the alleged $9 to join the group in order to be able to sideload.
Gee, @BuckeyeTico, I guess you just couldn't comprehend the tone of my post. I said it was disappointing, and NOT a show-stopper. IAW, I really would have liked to have more capability in Office with Mango, but I'm not whining like some of you do over things, insisting that "WP7 is DOOMED if it's not in there". Unlike SOME of you, I'd be perfectly fine if a third-party app does something that's not native to the platform. Like having a media player with an EQ. It was never part of Windows Mobile, either, but a number of third-party media apps were available that had an EQ. I pretty much expect to see the same thing here. Getting back to the Office apps, I was posting more in the vein of letting those who might be expecting certain things from the update Office apps, and also propping the door open for any prospective developer to be thinking along those lines.
It's a minor thing, and it's not going to kill my enthusiasm for WP over any other platform. Sheesh, chill.
@ ScubaDog2011 – Who understands you??!! First, you claim and defend the fact that WP7 is only intended for the casual users (consumers, aka average Joes), that if we WP7 users want to have at least the same enterprise capabilities as in WM 6.x, we NEED to move to another platform. But now, you are complaining about the limitations found on WP7 Office, limitations that will still be present on Mango. Who understands you??!!
Well, I had to load Beta 2 of Mango to find out (since nobody I asked who already had it loaded would tell me) if there were any improvements in the Mobile Office apps. There were a couple of things, but unfortunately you still are stuck with the same, horrifying, three colors. Also, no fonts. So, no changes in the formatting, which I use heavily. It will recognize formatting coming from the desktop version of a spreadsheet, but you can't use those formats natively. So, I'm hoping that someone ports a better spreadsheet app to WP7. Not a show-stopper, but the WM version had a lot more capability.
Facebook axed the check-in stuff btw lol.
ok and we're back!
@everyone read the first comment. Sheesh.
cant read the stuff in the image
I would add an image that I could read. :)
Man, being a tech company and all you would have thought the picture would be readable. lol
Also, why do I have to create a new account for this site shouldn't Windows Live work here too since it's all Microsoft and they are trying to make people's lives easier with Windows phone? Doesn't make sense.....
hey there folks working on getting a higher resolution version. should be here soon. sorry!