Announcing Windows Phone 8

Announcing Windows Phone 8

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Three years ago I was lucky to join the Windows Phone team at a time when we were “resetting” our approach to mobile operating system software. We made big changes to our design, our approach to partners, and our platform. The result was Windows Phone 7.

Now it’s time to start telling you about the next exciting chapter of our story: Windows Phone 8. Officially announced this morning in San Francisco, it’s the most advanced mobile OS Microsoft has ever made and will arrive on new phones later this year.

Many of Windows Phone 8’s new capabilities come from a surprising source: Windows, the most successful and powerful operating system on the planet, and one used by more than a billion people. Yes, you read that right: Windows Phone 8 is based on the same core technologies that power Windows 8. As a result, Windows Phone 8 will unleash a new wave of features for consumers, developers, and businesses.

Today I’ll give you a high-level sneak peek at the Windows Phone 8 platform and tell you just some of what it’s going to make possible. I’ll also share some exciting news about apps and updates for current Windows Phone customers. This isn’t a full disclosure of everything in Windows Phone 8—look for a more complete tour of new features later.

The power of Windows

If you’ve seen Windows 8, Microsoft’s groundbreaking new release for PCs and tablets, you’ve probably noticed it bears more than a passing resemblance to the look of Windows Phone. Here’s how the Windows 8 Start screen looks in the latest preview release.

The Windows 8 Start screen, as it appears in the preview release.

With Windows Phone 8, the similarity is more than skin deep. We’ve based the next release of Windows Phone on the rock-solid technology core of Windows 8. It means Windows Phone and its bigger sibling will share common networking, security, media and web browser technology, and a common file system. That translates into better performance, more features, and new opportunities for app developers and hardware makers to innovate faster.

This new shared core—along with all the extra work we’ve done on top of it—opens up a new world of capabilities, which you don’t have to be a techie to appreciate. Here’s a taste:

  • Multi-core processor support: As reviewers have noted, Windows Phone runs buttery smooth on phones with a single processor. But piggybacking on the Windows core provides support for multiple cores—so we’re ready for whatever hardware makers dream up.
  • Bigger, sharper screens: Windows Phone 8 supports two new screen resolutions—1280x768 and 1280x720, opening the door to amazing new handsets with high-definition 720p displays.
  • More flexible storage: Windows Phone 8 supports removable MicroSD cards, so you can stuff your phone with extra photos, music, and whatever else is important to you, and then easily move it all onto your PC.
  • NFC wireless sharing: If you haven’t heard the term “NFC” yet, I’m betting you soon will. This emerging wireless technology lets phones share things over short distances. In Windows Phone 8, it helps make sharing photos, Office docs, and contact info easier—just tap your phone another NFC-equipped device. How cool is that?
  • Internet Explorer 10: The next version of Windows Phone comes with the same web browsing engine that’s headed for Window 8 PCs and tablets. IE10 is faster and more secure, with advanced anti-phishing features like SmartScreen Filter to block dangerous websites and malware.
  • Wallet: Windows Phone 8’s new digital Wallet feature does two great things. It can keep debit and credit cards, coupons, boarding passes, and other important info right at your fingertips. And when paired with a secure SIM from your carrier, you can also pay for things with a tap of your phone at compatible checkout counters.
  • Better maps and directions: Windows Phone 8 builds in Nokia mapping as part of the platform. Our partnership will provide more detailed maps and turn-by-turn directions in many countries, plus the ability to store maps offline on your phone so you can work with maps without a data connection.
  • Cooler apps and games: Basing Windows Phone 8 on the Windows core will unleash a new wave of amazing apps and especially games, for reasons I’ll touch on in a moment.

A new Start

We’re putting the finishing touches on Windows Phone 8 as I write this. It has a ton of great new consumer features that I can’t wait to tell you about in the months ahead. Today, however, I’m going to show off just one: the beautiful, flexible new Start screen.

The new Start sceen in Windows Phone 8 is even more flexible, with more theme colors and three sizes of Live TilesThe new Start sceen in Windows Phone 8 is even more flexible, with more theme colors and three sizes of Live Tiles.The new Start sceen in Windows Phone 8 is even more flexible, with more theme colors and three sizes of Live Tiles.The new Start sceen in Windows Phone 8 is even more flexible, with more theme colors and three sizes of Live Tiles.

The new Start sceen in Windows Phone 8 is even more flexible, with more theme colors and three sizes of Live Tiles.The new Start sceen in Windows Phone 8 is even more flexible, with more theme colors and three sizes of Live Tiles.The new Start sceen in Windows Phone 8 is even more flexible, with more theme colors and three sizes of Live Tiles.The new Start sceen in Windows Phone 8 is even more flexible, with more theme colors and three sizes of Live Tiles.

As you can see, we’re making Windows Phone 8 even more personal, with a new palette of theme colors and three sizes of Live Tiles, all of which are under your control. We know Live Tiles are one of the things current owners really love about their Windows Phones, and we wanted to make them even more flexible and unique. This short video shows the new Start screen in action.

Windows Phone…7.8!

The new Start screen is so useful and emblematic of what Windows Phone is about that we want everybody to enjoy it. So we’ll be delivering it to existing phones as a software update sometime after Window Phone 8 is released. Let me repeat: If you currently own a Windows Phone 7.5 handset, Microsoft is planning to release an update with the new Windows Phone 8 Start screen. We’re calling it “Windows Phone 7.8.”

Some of you have been wondering, “Will we also get Windows Phone 8 as an update?” The answer, unfortunately, is no.

Windows Phone 8 is a generation shift in technology, which means that it will not run on existing hardware. BUT we care deeply about our existing customers and want to keep their phones fresh, so we’re providing the new Start screen in this new update.

100,000 apps and beyond

Today we announced that the Windows Phone Marketplace officially hit 100,000 apps and games—a milestone we reached faster than Android, and a testament to the thousands of talented developers around the world who’ve supported us since launch. Together they deliver more than 200 new titles, on average, each day.

On behalf of everybody at Windows Phone, THANK YOU! We appreciate your effort and creativity and the value you bring to Windows Phone users. 

To mark the milestone, today we’re announcing a new batch of marquee titles. The official Audible app for audiobooks arrives in Marketplace today. Official apps from Chase and PayPal are in the works. Gameloft has Windows Phone versions of Asphalt 7: Heat and N.O.V.A. 3 Near Orbit Vanguard Alliance on the way.

And Nokia is helping deliver the much-requested Zynga games Words with Friends and Draw Something to Windows Phone later this year. Check out Nokia Conversations today for more details about this and other new Windows Phone-related announcements today. (And don’t miss the fun new “100,000 Apps and Counting” mugs and other goodies in the official Windows Phone Gear Store!)

Developers, developers, developers

Since we’re talking about apps, I want to tell developers a little bit about what they can expect in Windows Phone 8. Some of the exciting changes on the way include:

  • Native code support: Windows Phone 8 has full C and C++ support, making it easier to write apps for multiple platforms more quickly. It also means Windows Phone 8 supports popular gaming middleware such as Havok Vision Engine, Autodesk Scaleform, Audiokinetic Wwise, and Firelight FMOD, as well as native DirectX-based game development.
  • In-app purchase: In Windows Phone 8 we make it possible for app makers to sell virtual and digital goods within their apps.
  • Integrated Internet calling: In Windows Phone 8, developers can create VoIP apps that plug into our existing calling feature so Internet calls can be answered like traditional phone calls, using the same calling interface.
  • Multitasking enhancements. Windows Phone 8 now allows location-based apps like exercise trackers or navigation aids to run in the background, so they keep working even when you’re doing other things on your phone.

This is just a taste. Later this summer, we’ll have much more for developers on the Windows Phone 8 Software Development Kit (SDK) and the new Visual Studio 11-based development tools. So stay tuned.

Windows Phone 8 @ work

In Windows Phone 8, we’re also moving into the workplace in a big way, introducing a number of features and capabilities that companies and their IT departments demand. This is just one more benefit of sharing a common core with Windows 8. Some of the new business-friendly features include:

  • Device encryption: To help keep everything from documents to passwords safe, Windows Phone 8 includes built-in technology to encrypt the entire device, including the operating system and data files.
  • Better security: Windows Phone 8 supports the United Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) secure boot protocol and features improved app “sandboxing,” so the phone is better protected from malware with multiple layers of security.
  • Remote management: With Windows Phone 8, IT departments can manage apps and phones remotely, with tools similar to ones they now employ for Windows PCs.
  • Company Hub and apps: Companies can create their own Windows Phone 8 Hub for custom employee apps and other critical business info.

An example of how a new company Hub might look in Windows Phone 8.

New languages, update process

I get a lot of tweets asking, “When will my phone get Arabic? Farsi? Turkish?” They’re also the top feature requests on the Windows Phone Suggestion Box site.

I’m happy to tell you these languages are coming! In fact, Windows Phone 8 will support a total of 50 languages, or double the current geographic coverage. We’re also expanding Marketplace, our store for apps and games, to support app downloads in over 180 countries—nearly triple its current footprint.

Another area I know many of you care deeply about is Windows Phone software updates and how they’re delivered—something we’ve gotten a lot of feedback on over the last year. Today I’m excited to tell you that we’ve been working closely with our many partners to improve the update process for Windows Phone 8, and help get you our latest software more quickly and easily.

How? First, Windows Phone 8 updates will be delivered wirelessly over-the-air, so you don’t have to bother plugging your phone into your PC to update anymore. Second, we will support devices with updates for at least 18 months from device launch.

Finally, we’re working to create a program that gives registered enthusiasts early access to updates prior to broad availability—a little gift to our biggest fans and supporters. We think these three initiatives will help keep your phone fresher than ever before.

What’s next

I know that’s a lot to digest—and look forward to. And I didn’t even mention actual phones yet!

We’re really excited about the strong line-up of hardware partners who are putting their support behind Windows Phone 8. The first wave of devices for Windows Phone 8 will come from Nokia, Huawei, Samsung, and HTC, all built on next-generation chips from Qualcomm.

As I’ve said, we’re just starting to tell the full Windows Phone 8 story. Keep your eye on the official Windows Phone blog and website for more news throughout the summer. And, as always, I’m eager to hear what you think. Thanks for reading!

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  • WP8, at least on my Nokia 920, doesn't encrypt removable storage (SD cards) in violation of corporate security policy and enforced by EAS. Therefore, windows phones can't connect to the corporate Exchange. I don't know if this is MS' mistake or Nokia's but I'm now holding another (900 was the first) MS windows phone that can't support corporate security requirements. Would someone please speak to this issue?

  • jayjo
    0 Posts

    Simple question - does Windows Phone 8 now allow Desktop Sync via USB to Outlook, and with All Outlook Item-types (Tasks, Notes etc.) being recognised?...

    ... er - the situation we had in Windows Mobile 6.5.   Like many others I've been holding on to my HD2 waiting for Windows Phone to offer this, and if it still doesn't then there I guess Android and iOS are equally good choices for my next phone.

    If the Cloud is so wonderful, stable and private at the moment, then I am sure there is no need to force customers to use it - we will all opt to join it ourselves.

  • I love the android system, however  I have been seeing alot of freezing and force close on the system. The sales associates the promote you to buy the phoen really don't tell you these things. They are more interested in you purchasing the phone. Make them earn that purchase pick their brain and get all of the details as possible before buying the phone. If need be talk to other sales associates to see if you're going to get the same response to your inquiry. If they sound unsure reconsider. Second just wait second when a new phone is about to be released wait a lttle to see the reviews and so forth. Dig in a little reserach before buying.

  • New OS ... no backward compatibility. No Hardware compatibility. Seriously?

    When u release Windows 9 next year you will say the same. Time to say good bye to Windows.

    I am gifting my HTC Windows Mobile to my little nephew. I guess they dont discuss the tech specs in primary school. I am going back to Android. Beginning to love my S3 more. Thanks to microsoft.

  • mbagepg
    1 Posts

    It is nice to read about the WP8. I bought a Nokia Lumia 800 about a month ago, and to say the least, i am a VERY DISAPPOINTED customer. Initially i had faith since the product (Os) is from Windows, a reputable Company. However, after suffering for the few weeks and reading the feedback you have received from other customers, and  the non responsiveness  from Windows, I have lost faith in Windows/Microsoft. Does anyone read the feedback from customers? Do you undertake customer satisfaction survey? I hope you are not ISO certified (at least on ISO 9000:2008) because customer focus is mandatory.

    Anyway, since it seems all feedback/complaints made are treated as  "water under the bridge", and at least for the benefit of your future clients (I will definitely not be one of them), I hope you have included ALL THE BASIC FUNCTIONS that can be found on the cheapest phone you can find. Start from the BASIC before concentrating on advanced features! THIS SUMMARIZES MOST, IF NOT ALL THE COMPLAINS/FEEDBACK FROM CLIENTS.

    Not all is lost since the Lumia has made me fall in love with my old Nokia E71. The Lumia now is my back up phone!

    Maybe as a way of managing customer expectation and avoiding disappointment, Nokia & Windows should include an advisory on every phone being sold, of the features that are usually found on an average phone and  have been excluded/not deemed important/necessary.

    I hope future customers will be treated much better.

  • voyager
    1 Posts

    Please Microsoft make WP7.8 a tool by including PPTP and a RDP-client. Without it's a toy.

  • Hew
    1 Posts

    We are needed in Async Targeting Pack for WP8 to be able to run WP7 apps that uses AsyncCtp on WP8. Please.

  • Very compelling story.  Smart choices about backwards compatibility and forward 18 month upgrade plan.  Glad you are on the UI design.  Your Windows UI contributions are brilliant.  Exciting year ahead, I think.

    Please, please, please make a compelling whiteboard surface app with (accurate) stylus (could be part of one note with pinch zoom).  look at notability for some cool ideas... :)

  • I really do love WP7 and Mango was a great update. I also understand that times must move forward but seriously, my Samsung omnia 7 and lumia 900 which is only 4 months old is only going to get a home screen refresh with 7.8? I was amazed that the iphone 3GS will have iOS6 but my  near as new lumia 900 cannot? 1.5ghz CPU and 512mb RAM is not good enough?

    WP7 has only been around 2 years and already this device fragmentation. Somebody already pointed out here on the forum that contracts these days are more or less 24 month, Sorry Joe but unless my devices are as updated as the new generation i wont be continuing with my contract after december!  Surely it aint so difficult to allow WP8 to run under lower resolution and single core CPU's? Take a look at the Windows desktop platform? Hell my 6 year old PC only has 2gig RAM and 2.2 Ghz CPU and it runs Windows 8! Something seriously smells funny here!

  • With all the great new features available on WP8, I believe many people will give it strong consideration. However, I think the greatest roadblock is ecosystem. For the apps that are available on all platforms, users may not be willing to pay again for app they already paid for on other ecosystems.

    The real problem is that this has no solution. Wonder if MS would interested in offering users apps they have already purchased for a discount/free?

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  • First time in my live I am actually having access to the windows-world. By chance I got a Nokia Lumia with windows 7.8. Then had some Windows 8 Preview experiences. Guys, if you´re going on like this Apple is now having a real new competitor!!! And by the way: syncing has never been that easy ;-)

  • teenk
    1 Posts

    Make or break for me: Call Blocking. I love my HTC HD7 but I can't block phone calls.  If this feature is not in any WinPhone8 phone I'm going to get a Galaxy S3.

  • Everyone: You know what the biggest mistake Microsoft has made is?...

    -It isn't just leaving most of its older Windows Phone 7 phones without upgrades after Mango. (Most old phones don't have the tethering update or tango yet, not even an update for HTC phones that had issues freezing while playing music in Zune)

    -It isn't just leaving newer Windows Phone 7 phones like the Lumia 900 or the HTC Titan II just with the 7.8 update, when they clearly could support a lot more features among those in Windows Phone 8 to ensure nearly full app compatibility with the newer apps coming out soon.

    -The biggest mistake they have made is simple, they claim the future is integration, and that wherever you go, there will be one Windows for you everywhere, but NONE of the Windows Phone 7, and soon Windows Phone 8 Apps will work on Windows 8 Tablets or PCs, meaning the Windows 8 marketplace for computers and tablets starts with practically no apps, compared to over 100,000 Apps for Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone 8. They were supposed to combine phone, computers, tablets, even Xbox, all into one. I should have been able to buy a game on my phone and play it on my tablet, my xbox and my desktop computer, or any other combination among device types. This could severely hurt Windows 8 sales, and this is the second time Microsoft leaves capable phones of running future OS versions behind, they did the same when switching from Windows Mobile 6 to Windows Phone 7, example: HTC HD2. Who is there to tell me that the whatever next device I buy with Windows 8 will be able to support all upcoming upgrades? I hate Apple, but even the old iPhones get updates to the latest iOS version today. Thank you Microsoft for not doing things as great as you could. By the way: I am still waiting for the tethering update, Tango and the Zune Playback Issues Update on my HTC Surround with Windows Phone 7.5 Mango.

  • Good evening everyone, I would like to know where I can find technical information about the unification of platforms with Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8, thanx.

  • sooooo... these may be stupid questions but I currently have a Windows Phone (HTC HD7) and I'm wondering if I can upgrade my OS to the Windows 8 thing when it's released.... any answers?

    Also - is there a launch date yet?

    One last note - wouldn't it be nice to get a discount on Windows 8 if you have a Windows Phone? nice little perk for those of us who are dedicated Windows users!

    PS. love love LOVE my windows phone!

  • benjj
    1 Posts

    I am wondering when will, if ever, windows phones get to screen sizes above  5'

  • Gimba
    1 Posts

    Microsoft, just shut up and collect my money already, I just want my Nokia Phone please if you do not mind!!!

  • "Multitasking enhancements" - so still no REAL multitasking as promised? Symbian 5 years ago had REAL multitasking.

  • ehab
    1 Posts

    please please please , can any one answer me ?

    are the windows phone 8 will compatible with windows phone 7 app ?

  • richym1
    1 Posts

    I cannot wait!  This is the OS for my next phone!

  • That's what to look for and how you spot her in the first place. If you see some of those, you want to watch her for a second. If you think that she is the kind of person you can walk up to and do this, then proceed.

    Tao of badass review, If not, I'd actually suggest you proceed anyway, just to see what happens.

    Next, right after you get that done and you've seen your girl (there are probably three or four of these girls in a bar at any given moment) you're going to walk up and start the scary part.

  • Think it's great with development and sure will be getting a wp8 when time comes.

    Brand new engine with direct x and all kinds off good stuff.

    Really looking forward to that.

    Until that, I'm using my phone with wp7.5 (7.8 when out) and enjoying the best ever os so far.

    I'll bet my phone works even after wp8 comes out :-)

    Also still got a htc touch Diamond 2 with wm6.5

    Strangely enough still works even after wp7.5 arrived... ;-)

  • A new Bea in Development World It's Really Fun Developing For Windows Phone Much Excited About the Windows Phone 8 Sdk ....... hope we can create some awsome apps there ...... :P

  • I LOVE how people are saying that Windows and Microsoft is 'abandoning' them. The Windows Phone 7 has been out for TWO YEARS already come october. Whose fault is it that you picked up a WP7 a couple of months ago? You'd have been equally annoyed if you picked up the latest iphone, only for them to announce a brand new one months later (yet no one complains when this happens)

    Yes it is bad that you picked up a highly advertised phone, but they are still supporting you. You are getting an upgrade so that it resembles WP8, and all of your apps will still work as they are. It's not as if come the launch of WP8 Microsoft is suddenly going to flip the switch and make it so that all WP7's aren't going to work. Your phone will still be of use to you, it will still work, your apps will still work.

  • I have an original Samsung Focus and upgraded to WP7.5.  I'm on ATT which means the updates and patches which came out after the 7.5 release are unavailable to me.  Sure, the Nokia 900 looks great but MS hasn't made it a secret that Win8 and WP8 were 4th quarter releases and significantly different than previous versions.  So I didn't buy a Nokia or any other WP and won't until WP8 is the norm.  If you made a bad purchase decision, don't blame MS.

    Why iFans bought the 4S is a mystery to me.  Everyone knew the new iPhone was coming out 4th quarter but they don't seem to care; they'll just pay full price for the new iPhone after standing in line at an Apple store for 3 weeks.

    That said, iPhone sales are down now in anticipation of New iPhone.  Nokia sales are down now that Win8/WP8 is officially official.  Both will bounce back with the new releases.

    Not everyone is a power user or developer.  For these folks, WP 7.8 will bring the most visible change to their existing WP.  They'll be happy and content which is a good thing.  Kudos to MS for doing that for their WP 7.x customers.

    What I'm pissed about are 3rd party mfgs like Samsung aren't even talking about Win8 versions of their latest products.  Today they announced the Samsung Note 2.  The graphic had Android on it and there was absolutely no mention of WP8 versions.

    Samsung makes great products.  It would be a shame if, like Win8 tablets and Surface, if MS had to switch to an Apple hardware strategy on phones too.  In hindsight, Samsung and others will be the loser.

  • Excuse me, I want to ask when to introduce wp8?

  • Any chance dev phones like the Taylor get the 7.8 update? It´s a shame such a good phone is left behind in the dust ...

  • John
    3 Posts

    @ BuckeyeTico Dude! Thanks for the facts Hahaha!  Like I said people should do some research before buying a phone. $50 to $100 is a discount phone for a reason. Stop your crying sissy it will be ok!

  • @ John – Dude, the truth is, I normally don’t waste my time with people like you.  But, since you want to hear some facts, check this out, you are a fanboy and condescending-egocentric kid.  Show some respect for the people here that have invested time and money on this platform, especially those who recently bought a Lumia 900 or a Titan II – you don’t know where they are coming from.  And again, anything else is not even worth to “discuss” with you because you are like those horses with blinkers.

  • John
    3 Posts

    @ BuckeyeTico Haha! After everything I said that is the only thing you could come up with? I did not read one thing from you that proves I do not know what I am Talking about? Seems I made a fanboy mad is what I did and did it with the true facts. If you have something a little smarter to say then come on back troll!

  • bcook
    1 Posts

    You need to stop calling this Windows Phone. It needs to be wPhone or maybe WPhone to make the point that this is the personal device that everyone loves from the A company, and it is the business device that MS Surface is to the tablets.

  • Joe, that isn't an answer to the top feature requests on the Windows Phone Suggestion Box question/request .

    The question/request is quite simple: Will there be Arabic & Farsi support to WP7.5 or 7.8?

    Its official now, WP7.5 isn't up-gradable to WP8.

    So answering the question by saying WP8 will cover these 2 languages isn't what the people has been asking all along and isn't what MS kept promising for the last 12 months saying that the language pack for these 2 languages will be out in the 2nd half of 2012.

    The question again: Will there be WP7.5 language pack for Arabic & Farsi languages?? or no.

    Waiting your answer to decide whether to ditch the phone in the nearest bin or not.

  • @ John – Dude, why don’t you just take a hike? You don’t know what you are talking about.  If you want to be a fanboy; fine, be one, but don’t be a condescending prick.

  • John
    3 Posts

    Why do people get so mad that they do not get every update? A phone should only get one update to get you to your next phone upgrade. If you do not do a little checking before you go buy a $100 or $50 phone to see if a new one is 6 months off then it is your own fault. You can always go buy one out of pocket. when you take the same software on the iphone s and put it on the iphone 3gs it is so slow! That means siri and all. Why would you put software on a phone that is not going to run it well? So don't act like apple updates all there phones fully to the next level. ios itself never changes much but then it is not as good as windows 8 OS. Microsoft has taken it to a new level. Big deal you have to go a year without the new OS! You sound like two year olds. I want it now! now! now! now! Hahaha!

  • Define Windows Phone 7.5. Do you mean Mango or Tango? Because, You called the first one 7.5 then revoked it and called tango 7.5. Even if it was Mango, I still doubt my Venue Pro will ever see an update. :(

  • Daup82
    1 Posts

    There is a lot of discouragement with the current 7.X phones only getting a limited update to 7.8. It is kind of frustrating, but I'm not too concerned about it. Phones only have a 2 year life any ways and I plan to get a new phone when my contract is up and look forward to the new hardware that will be available at that time. I am excited with the new features WP8 has to offer and I love the unification between all W8 devices especially within Office 2013. There is a lot to look forward to from Microsoft, now with the acquisition of Perspective Pixel and yammer. I would love to have a desktop PC with 2 large Perspective Pixel displays side by side.

  • Captiosus
    103 Posts

    @hybridmonkey - Hostile much? With the platform only holding ~4% *global* market share, you better hope NO ONE leaves the Windows Phone platform, especially since Windows Mobile users aren't migrating from WinMo 6/6.5 to WP7 or WP8 and choosing, instead, to completely abandon Microsoft's mobile endeavors.

    @swalker6 - Either you don't get it or you're terribly gullible. Second generation WP7 devices already operate under an ARM architecture. Ergo, it should be possible for it to run Windows Phone 8. No, it won't see the dual core benefits, obviously, and there will be other hardware optimizations it won't get, much like the iPhone 3G didn't see the iOS included Compass and improved location services because only the 3Gs had the hardware to support it [but the 3G got the OS update, ANYWAY].

    You speak of "cycle" as if you have any idea what you're talking about when it's clear you do not. As I type this, AT&T has the Lumia 900 on [what can only be described as] a fire sale for $49.99. Windows Phone 7.8 will be out this fall and then updates cease. How does that factor into your "cycle"? New adopters who buy a Lumia 900 right now will get exactly one update and then have an obsolete phone for 14-18 months. And given Microsoft's record when it comes to providing product tails (see: original Xbox when Xbox 360 came out, original Zune models when Zune HD came out, et cetera), it only stands to reason that within that 14-18 month span, the phone will LOSE capabilities as Microsoft forces developers to code for WP8 ONLY and/or slowly phases WP7.8 offerings out of Marketplace.

    The only people NOT screwed by this cycle are the early adopters who *haven't* changed their original phones. Many of us have changed phones or providers and are on contracts beyond the original first generational period (for example, I went from a LG Quantum to a HTC Radar 4G - not eligible for upgrade until well after Windows Phone 8 comes out).

    But, whatever. This is just another lie in a long string of lies by the Windows Phone team dating back to 2010.

  • Quick request: Can we get more background colors than light and dark?

  • That start screen video is so slick that my disappointment had almost abated.  

    Honestly, I understand that WP is not the most popular platform and that radical changes are needed to stay in the game.  Giving us the start screen is a nice gesture but you'd better dig deeper than that.  I've put up with a lack of functionality for the promise of better things to come.  I'm afraid that my less than a year old phone will be stuck halfway done.  

    WP 7 need not be a cutting edge OS, but make it the best it could possibly be before you dump us.  Consider your WP 8 improvements for scalability to older generations.  Call it WP 7.9999999, I don't care.  

    We get excited when you guys succeed.  We stand out in the crowd and tell others about our unique phones.  Apple survived the low market share years because it had loyal fans.  Don't cut us off, or you will be cut.

  • rjpebs
    1 Posts

    Awesome! Can't wait for the final products!

  • whats about encrypted e-mails? this is a must for companies.

  • Seems to be a surprise to WP7 users that MSFT would abandoned  them with the new version. being a Win Mobile 6.5 user I felt the same way. then again with the advancements in hardware and software this should not be a surprise at all.

    I have used Windows phones since CE and have appreciated how well it worked with Outlook.  Being a user of tasks, note and categories, none with sync via the cloud, I will not be migrating further on the windows phone platform; lacks direct  USB connectivity and full sync with Outllook. Not sure which way I will go, but It won;t be windows.

  • I see a lot of people with Windows Phone 7.5 or earlier who feel cheated.

    It seems obvious to me, and was stated by Microsoft and in this article, that Windows Phone 8 is a new generation smartphone that required the new hardware compatibility (processor, graphic chips, RAM, memory,.....) not available on old smartphones.  The cycle for replacing smartphones especially for you guys on this forum is less than two years, so all the complainers here will be elated with Windows Phone 8 and beyond.  Wake up folks!

  • Oh it's so sad that we won't get WP8 as an update on WP7.5!

  • WOWWWWWWWW.......... so nice, but one main disadvantages of all Windows Phone device is , Music player does not support equalizer. Please activate this option for at least Windows Phone 8 devices. Thanks you.

  • Pretty late in the comments list but I have my share of suggestions:

    First up I am amazed by the new WP8 platform and I knew Microsoft ( Being playground of Genius Tech's in the world cannot release a crappy software like WP7. There is a huge alternate plan behind the scene and the result was WP8.

    Let me say I will be a proud owner of  WP8 device the day when it launches!!

    But I have following suggestions:

    Windows Phone Start Screen is the Face of Windows Phone and it needs to be showcased properly for making Windows Phone 8 a roaring success. Believe it or not, I feel Windows Phone will be a success or a failure only depending upon how people will respond to the Start screen.

    In the WP8 Summit, Microsoft presented the all new Exciting second generation of WP Start screen. But I think they missed out on 3 major points.

    1) A lot of people might see the 3-8 windows phone screens ( as shown above ), everywhere starting from banners on roads, websites, mobile store shops etc, containing various sizes of tiles next to each other and may feel this is only clutter where as the matter of fact is it is a marvelous piece of a thing on a phone! The idea to show 3-8 screens next to each other was a totally wrong step while presenting a marquee feature of WP.

    2) Why doesn't Microsoft display the Start Screen with grouping of tiles. Grouping of tiles is a simple app and that actually takes the start screen experience to all together new exciting levels. Coupling the ability to have multiple size tiles and the ability to name a group of tiles takes Windows phone to totally new league compared to iPhone and Android.

    3) Why does Microsoft uses the word Windows for a phone? Windows stand for legacy baggage and re-branding the whole WP to some other name is only going to make it make appealing for users to like it.

    Never the less, Windows Phone screen is evolving and I am happy its moving in right direction. I have following predictions for future of Windows Phone start screens:

    WP6.5 - A totally ugly interface, with only iPhone and Android like icons.

    WP7 - A new wonderful concept of Tiles was born. Up-datable tiles, ability to have shortcuts inside an App through start screen and whole bunch of features made WP7 unique from other plethora of phones in Market.

    WP8 - Re-sizable tiles. Simple Example and wonderfully implemented: Messaging Tile. The tile when small shows only number, when slightly big provides a cut down preview of message received, and large tile shows a even bigger preview!! Amazing concept.

    I would like the following in future WP editions:

    1)     Ability to add a same background textures to the start screen and Application list screen, just like way it happens in Windows 8. The ability to add Name for a group needs to more intuitive to user and need not install a separate app for it! A pull down notification screen would add a lot of interest to it.

    2)     Landscape mode for Windows Start screen supported. Just Imagine how beautiful WP is gonna look, when we have the landscaping mode available, ability to add background etc.

    3)     Feature of Tile Cubes. Currently Windows Phone tile only flips and shows the thing at the back of tile. Making a Tile 3 Dimensional is a totally futuristic concept. Swiping to tile to left shows content to left of cube and continuing left swiping, is going to show content in the same way.

    4)     3 Dimensional Tiles with ability to have controls, hidden behind them. What I mean here is say, a WP music tile, having controls say play on one side of tile cube, pause on the other side, rewind, FF etc on other side etc.

    5)     Ability to launch multiple apps running on the same start screen. This would be somewhat look like Pop up play of Samsung SGS3, but I am sure experience will be a gen apart from that of a WP.

    I sincerely believe when a user gets into the phone to get something done, he must be able to do it right there on the start screen. There is no need to run behind a particular app. I love WP because all the thing I want are right here in front of me on start screen.

    Please evolve Start screen like no one else would, and you will see WP's will be hard ones to beat!!!

  • I have a htc hd7 phone and I have updated the software to 7,5. The application I miss most is the sim toolkit which enables mobile banking and money transfer. Will the new upgrade 7.8 have this important application?

  • I would like to know if Windows Phone 7.8 and/or Windows Phone 8 will support bluetooth. I have been working on creating an update for one of my apps that allowed direct device to device multiplayer games, but there doesn't seem to be much bluetooth support yet.

  • You have Office on the phone but you don't support a bluetooth keyboard.  So.... we can use Office with a SIP.  Isn't that kind of silly?  What is the big deal in supporting a bluetooth keyboard?  I believe iPhone and android have done that for a long time.  How can you gain (or maintain) market share without having such a basic function?

  • @ the monkey dude - Who in the %$#&@*$# died and made you king (or queen) of the I-know-what-is-right and the ruler of this blog?  Let people speak out their minds and souls.

    You don’t know how many of these users have just bought a Lumia 900 or Titan II, paid big bucks and then realized that they will not be able to upgrade to WP8.  It might be legal (I guess) but it is unethical and dishonest in my book.

    The truth is many of us early adopters seem to be fine with the “low blow” just delivered by MS because we kind of knew it was going to happen and by the time WP8 is out and hopefully mostly debugged, most of us will be eligible for upgrade with our carriers.  But (in all capital letters), there are many new adopters (mostly the ones that were impressed by the beauty and functionality of the new Lumia 900) that invested money and resources in a new phone which will be kind of obsolete by the end of the year.  Now I ask, isn’t this unethical and dishonest? We all know that MS and Nokia knew that the Lumia 900 (at its launch) wasn’t going to be upgraded to WP8; and yet, they “heavily” (by their standards) advertised it as the new 8th wonder of the world.  And I ask again, isn’t this enough to have many users pissed-off? Did you say “yes”? Then, let them blow some steam here!

  • People, stop being idiots! Obviously the things that won't be supported in 7.8 are hardware specific such as lack of NFC or games that require multi-core processors. It will more likely have software-related features from wp8 than not. Also, all that talk about trashing it when it hasn't even come yet is very ignorant. I'm glad users like you will "go back to iOS" or "go back to Android". Good riddance to people like you! I'd like a community with more positive people. Thanks.

  • jehnavi
    1 Posts

    Basing Windows Phone 8 on the Windows core will unleash a new wave of amazing apps and especially games.

  • Here are some improvements that I think would definitely sweeten the 7.8 update:

    •Mark Several/ Select All option


    It would be nice to be able to select multiple messages/ pictures/ contacts etc to delete them at one go or to manage them as its a laborious thing manage them one by one.

    •Font Size (magnifying text)


    Many has been complaining that the text is too small to read without their reading glasses. There should be the magnifying / text size option to take care of this group of users.

    •Displaying Text messages on lock screen

    This is something additional, but it would be nice to have a pop-up speech bubble displaying your message when it is received, similar to that of Microsoft Kin phones where you can peel off the speech bubble diagonally to read it. I think that was a good idea that gone to waste.

    •Closing Apps at multi-task screens.


    Some apps, such as the Internet app and game apps, clicking the back button doesn't close the app, its troublesome to tap a few times before its finally closed.

    Here are just suggestions worth considering to be included in the 7.8 update. :)

  • Raihan
    2 Posts

    I am eagerly waiting for Win8 Phone. Can anyone please update me when it is going to release in Australian market?

  • I think MS really has to step it up if ti wants to catch up. It's a beautiful thing they're done with WP but it's taking too long and they can't afford to tarry.

  • if u use a microsoft computer os or windows 7, it's better to buy a windows phone because the client would have easy connection without the convert of different ios if you need to download an app directly from the computer and all a lot of the support.

    Still waiting for wp8 to come out... :) thanks for windows phone 7, it's very successful in my point of view.

  • What really annoys me is that Microsoft uses the hardware in current devices as an excuse for not upgrading to WP8. If I'm not mistaking, Microsoft set these limitations which were very low compared to Android phones, claiming that WP7 would run just as smooth without better CPU, memory and so on. True as that may have been, these limitations are currently biting every early adopter in the ass, and Microsoft can blame no one but themselves.

  • You guys are really damn good in messing up your customers. It's not the first time, remember the no do/mango update fiasco? I guess you don't really care do you? Now you're doing it again. People, don't ever trust MSFT again. They will probably do the same thing again with wp 9.

  • Joe,

    I'm a big fan, I have been following you for years now. I know when you talk, I listen. It's too bad about the ehome team but, on to Windows Phone 8...

    Why doesn't Microsoft release the 7.8 update in advance of Windows Phone 8 ? This would give a little Perk to current 7.5 users to be able to use the new interface before the WP8 devices hit the streets. It might just help some of the upset Luima customers be happy.

    I like the advancements and look forward to a Verizon WP8 device (this time I hope for a choice, not just 1 model to chose from)

    Need a beta tester ?????


  • Bellfore didn't put this in the Dev blog, this is the regular blog (weird, that) but this guy saves everyone from having to push keys

  • Okay, first off let me start off by saying "I LOVE Microsoft".... However I am a bit dissapointed... I switched from Verizon to AT&T just to get my hands on the Nokia 900. Now I am being told that just after a few weeks of buying it, I am out dated. I pride myself on having the latest and greatest of what Microsoft has to offer. I want and deserve the option to get rid of this phone when the Windows Phone 8 is released. I think Microsoft needs to work closely with Nokia and AT&T to come up with some sort of special trade in offer to all the thousands of people who are now stuck with this out dated technology... It is only fair and the more everyone else out there goes viral with similar situations such as this one the more opt we are to see these Big Companies make a move to do something for the consumers...

  • Welp.... my Lumia 900 now only gets an update to a super cluttered interface. You ruined metro, you ruined the update scheme, you ruined everything.

    Now I'm stuck with this phone till 2014. Great. Wonderful. Fantastic. I'm not taking the update to 7.8. It is ugly and ruined. I'll just wait till I can go back to iOS.

  • abm
    268 Posts

    @calli, NO! Its about the sensors and the resources your device has. The multicore processor, NFC sensor, new graphics hardware etcetera.. Obviously, the new OS with new Kernel will chiefly target the next-gen more powerful processors and bunch of new sensors and peripherals. For the first time, Microsoft will be dumping their known, beloved core Kernel for hand-held devices; Windows CE and replacing with Windows NT kernel (aka MinWin?).

  • So, Belfiore or anyone defending this fragmentation based on hardware differences, tell me why IE10 can't run on a WP7 device, or why VOIP can't be integrated on a WP7 device? I've been around a while and I know dual core isn't required to do multi-tasking or to handle events. Really, I can live without removable storage and NFC, but handle it like you do front-facing cameras - some devices has one, some don't. Why can't your new and more efficient kernel run on my Lumia 900?

  • calli
    7 Posts

    Dear @ScubaDog2011 I did read and understand fully. All 'we' want is in your last sentence "You'll get the features that current hardware can support." Are you saying that current hardware only supports the new Start screen and nothing else?

  • caiorusso
    10 Posts

    In time: i didn't made any personal attack, or any kind of this. So WHY my account has been locked?

  • caiorusso
    10 Posts

    Not just behind. I think win8 and the next versions will always lose some part of the support customers, those, like me, told a lot of friends, coworkers and family that win phone 7 was a must have device.

    Every time we think that the efforts of Microsoft are based on improve the experience for the users, and we get wrong. They are based only in profits. That's the big difference between Apple and Microsoft.

    Apple is based on improve the customer experience, they sell a lot 'cause the user really comes first. Not the money. Money is a reward for a good job.

    It's sad, after all, we always believe in them, and we deceive ourselves over and over again.

    It's true that we never heard about the updates for 1st and 2nd gen devices. But we, unlike other times, believe that 'PUTTING PEOPLE FIRST' would be a change this time.

    It's not.

  • I'm a Windows Mobile 6.x developer and I never complained about wp7, just get a better device.

    New colors for start screen, but just one color per screen ??

    I was hoping to upgrade my galaxy s3 to a Galaxy Note 2 with wp8, but the supported new resolutions in wp8 doesn't even support the old Note's resolution and the Note 2 will proberbly get 1080p.

    So no wp8 phone here, you lost millions of customers with crappy hardware support in wp7 and now you are doing the same with wp8 - wp8 will be behind again when it is released.

  • For @calli and the rest of you: did you not read my previous post?  I believe it fairly accurately depicts what transpired and why we see the approach going forward.  I AM THE EARLY ADOPTER. The only unrealistic expectation I had was regarding the carrier interference on updates---THIS, I believe was a convenient omission on the part of Microsoft, leaving us to extrapolate -- albeit incorrectly -- that updates would be much more fluid than they are.  Outside of that, I've had no real surprises with this OS.  I've not had this ridiculous assumption that devices would be upgradable forever.  This isn't Apple---and I certainly don't want it to be.  We've not been abandoned.  I cannot stress enough that nobody should have expected that all or most of the features coming in WP8 would be have been supported in WP7 hardware.  It's a NEW OS, folks, plain and simple.  You'll get the features that current hardware can support.

  • fyter
    3 Posts


    Please leave a complete system, screenshots, keyboard color, Bluetooth, file management, and so on are regrettable.

    Really want Windows8 start screen.

    This is what we hope most users here.

    From China







  • Ickis99
    1 Posts

    One question: Will it support VPN connections (l2tp for example)? Until then, for me, it is completely useless as a business phone. Iam still required to use my 6.5 phone because of this limitation.

  • Thanks a lot Microsoft. You thoroughly f....d all your early supporters.

  • calli
    7 Posts

    It seems we are loosing or have lost the battle. Microsoft have a web page listing the features of WP 7.8 which excludes everything else we ever wanted. They mention that Nokia will contue supporting the Lumias. I have a question: What about all the HTC and Samsung users? What about us. I stupidly just bought 2 new HTC Titans. Didnt believe Microsoft would pull a fast one on us again. I was a Pocket PC Phone edition through to WM 6.5 with various devices,user. Now I sit with a discontinued OS!

  • Before Wp7's launch, the battle cry was indeed no carrier interference - Z.E.R.O.  Later that was amended, and then again, and then, well, what it is now - carriers call all the shots.  Smoke.  Mirrors.  Windows.  This way to the egress ---/

  • I have to say, going through all these posts, that I'm amazed.  Were so many of you really that much in the dark when Windows Phone came out?  Were so many of you really that much in the dark as more information came out during the various updates?  Are so many of you still that much in the dark about WP8 and where Microsoft is going?  Yes, it's true that we were left with the IMPRESSION that updates would not have carrier interference, but while this was (I believe) an intentional sin of omission, Microsoft never expressly said that.  They never expressly said that carriers could actually choose not to update at all--what they did say (which most of us misinterpreted) was that when (in reality, this should have been an "if") carriers do update they had to be cumulative of any updates they chose not to deploy earlier.  And this has actually proven to be the case, sadly enough.

    Also, if any of you actually thought that any current device would support WP8, I honestly don't know where you got that idea in your heads.  I've gone over all the announcements from them that I could find and I see nothing to even hint that would be true.  What I DID see was that the changes between WP7 and WP8 would be VERY dramatic.  Any time I hear that, I always assume that existing hardware won't be a player.  To me, that should have been common sense.  

    I believe a key perspective that many of you are missing is that WP7 was, in reality, doomed to obsolescence from DESIGN.  Why do I say this?  Because it was never designed, at its core (which is WinCE) to be scalable with changes in hardware.  As long as it held on to CE roots this would be the case (those of us who grew up with PocketPCs and Windows Mobile devices should have already recognized this issue).  Apple, in start contrast, clearly designed iOS to be much more scalable to changing hardware both subtle and dramatic (iPhone to iPad).  Microsoft, in order to answer the clamouring for more advanced hardware (most of which was senseless whining, in my opinion) AND to move toward their goal of making a more ubiquitous ecosystem, had no choice but to very nearly clean-slate Windows Phone AND Windows desktop.  Those of you who are still complaining that apps should require zero changing in order to run on both WP8 and Windows Desktop 8 are not being realistic.  You don't even see that on iOS, which has both iPad and iPhone versions of apps.  The changes are not significant, but enough that apps written for iPhone don't look so hot on the iPad.  Also, have you really looked at what WP8 is going to look like?  The start screen is similar yet still quite a bit different from even the WinRT for tablets.  The cpu, etc. used for Windows Phones that will run WP8 are different from that which will run WinRT or Windows 8 Pro.  iOS doesn't have that same difference to contend with.  In order to achieve what you are demanding would mean that Windows Phone devices and tablets would HAVE meet the same core design aspects---which takes away the very differentiation you people are ALSO demanding.  You simply can't have it both least not yet.  I actually DO believe we will get to the point where the core hardware differences between phone, tablet and desktop will disappear and Windows will simply be a super-scalable OS capable of running on any piece of hardware.

    But you are deluding yourselves if you think this can happen yet, can be changed this late in the development cycle of Windows 8/Windows Phone 8.  It can't happen, period.  This stuff is already going out to OEMs.

    Now, I DO happen to agree that it was a bad marketing move to trot out Windows 7.8 as a pacifier for those of us with 1st or 2nd gen devices.  I DO think Microsoft should have just played the game and said, as was suggested by others, "everyone who has a 1st or 2nd gen device will also get WP8 but obviously many of the new features won't be available to you if your hardware doesn't support it".  And that would be true, as far as it goes.   And, if you developers completely missed it, WP7 apps WILL run on WP8.  I believe I saw more than one report from Microsoft that you COULD continue to write WP7 apps and both OSs could access them.  Obviously, you wouldn't be able to take advantage of some of the new features that WP8 will give you access to.

    Speaking of that, some of you were insisting that the APIs be the same.  That really makes no sense if full ability to use new features is your goal.  As I pointed out, this is not like Apple's's a significant change, right that core---as should be very obvious to all but the casual user.  And, as I pointed out earlier, because the hardware on phone devices is still very much different from the tablets or the desktops.  They are much closer together with WP8 than they were with WP7, to be sure.  This is why developing apps for both all three platforms is reported to be dramatically easier than it is now.  I would think it's a fair bet that by the time we get to Windows 9 there will be no distinction--other than scale--between phone, tablet and desktop.

  • Meeshka
    1 Posts

    Sooooooooo! Same excuse as with the Windows 6.5 phone.. the Hardware is not compatible for Windows phone 8. What a Crock.... You want to beat all phones with 7 are upgradable to 8 and insure there are plenty of free apps.. "Build it and They will come" or "Blow it and they will leave"

  • Look and listen, and never forget.  "Not going through carriers" was the same Wp7 battle cry two years ago.  You have forgotten that already.  Believe none of it.  This is nothing more than marketing.  You would do well to simply look at the history of Wp to see why you need to look and listen, and never forget.

  • Nathan
    63 Posts

    @abm, thanks for sharing the useful info! I have couple of ideas for app but lacking resources. That generationapp is a FANTASTIC deal !! Once again "Thank you man!"

    @Jesus Augusto MBS, sir I dont speak your bs lingo, but what I understand from your comment is that you are a whining troll. Windows Phone 7 apps will be ported to Windows Phone 8 devices seemlessly. Windows Phone 7.5 devices will get Winodws Phone 7.8 update. The update will improve the platform and would be the utmost platform which can run on those single-core and low-end devices. I have been using WP for 1.5 year and I will use my 1st-gen device for another 12 months (at least) and then I would make a switch to Windows Phone 8.

  • Who will be writing software for an old platform? I bought the phone thinking of my windows applications can be programmed to the enthusiasm when I least expect to fabricanta changes to the way of writing programs.

    There is no advantage to buy windows mobile phone like this, I have one and I'm seeing descepção, devices are too expensive to go through this obsolenscencia planned so short which indicates that the long-term average, those who have compassion in your pocket will no longer choose to this type of equipment.

    I said.

    The same may happen to come to their surface, is disposable.

    As a software vendor Microsoft mice and keyboards had regular behavior for good, had an OS maintains popularity is a leader in PCs for corporate and personal computing, games and more. But the new wave of Mobile Tablets and their users will definitely not get used to the obsolescence of acquired Apple and Andoid.

    It was hoped more ... : (It is worthy of an action at common law for property damage.

  • Sean13
    1 Posts

    Good news. I am glad to hear that you learned that counting on the carriers to deliver updates was a mistake. As a Sprint customer I cannot tell you how over joyed I am to hear about this.

    The only thing I wish you would have done different was not called the update for WP7.5 users WP 7.8. Why not call it Windows Phone 8 (keep it as 7.8 internally) and stress that not all features can be supported on older devices running WP 7.5?

    Apple does this all the time. iOS6 will run on my old iPhone 3Gs, but not all of the new features are available. iOS 5 is currently installed and runs dog slow. Heck, even users of the iPhone 4Gs are not able to use all of the new features of iOS 6. I bet you that Apple has an internal name like iOS 3.6.

    Other than that, keep up the good work.

  • Joe, you will like this -

  • abm
    268 Posts


    Microsoft has already done that! Lots of known app's vendors, from other platforms, have ported their apps to Windows Phone 7,5, such as; Whatsapp, Tango, Audible, Groupon, IMDB, Ebay etcetera. Among 100k apps, since dec 2010 first launch of WP, there are some amazing apps that came first in WP which are yet to get introduced in other platforms.

    100,000 apps are published in about 18 mo. just on "Silverlight for Windows Phone" and "XNA for WP" platforms. With the support of C/C++, .NET and HTML5/CSS3/JS, there is lot more to come in the next few months...

    I have a suggestion for you: if you never developed a windows phone app before, you have a chance to win a Nokia Lumia 900 and free MS developers account. For more info listen to 72nd episode of #themetrodevelopershow podcast -> podcast AND fill this simple form A Nokia representative will ask you to submit your XAP file and they will evaluate. Rest assured, its legit not a scam 8-)

    Finally, if you have merely an idea and dont have skills or resources to accomplish it in the form of an app, hop on to and let the developers and designers do it for you !!


  • calli
    7 Posts
  • i havn't actually looked foreward to using a microsoft product since windows xp. i will expect windows 8 on the surface tablet to be incredibly stable and reliable - this is something that has me excited.  i hope the operating system is as exiting as the hardware looks on the surface.  what irritates me is that there isn't going to be a microsoft phone that has the build quality and specs that the surface has.  i think this will be a mistake unless microsoft allows manufacturers to replicate that cool mag outer shell and that awesome antenae idea that the surface has.  the surface looks like a quality product.  i only hope there is a handset that equals or exceeds that quality.

  • dwp1975
    2 Posts

    @abm, late summer isn't too bad. I can wrap up my Android/iOS projects and focus back on WP. I loved 7.5 but the lack of apps I came accustomed to on the other platforms got frustrating. Microsoft should hire it's top WP developers and ship them to every major app maker that refuses to write their own WP app and let the traveling team write it for them and Microsoft picks up the bill.

  • abm
    268 Posts

    @dwp1975, feeling likewise! The SDK is due late this summer. I want them to let the WP 7.8 apps consume some low-level stuff such as offline OCR lib which is not available in SL for WP! Also, would be fun if we are able to consume Bluetooth with its profiles in Windows Phone, so ultimately wireless printing over Wi-Fi and Bluetooth is made possible for enthusiasts!

    Looking forward for more great deeds from Windows Phone team.  8-)

  • Heywood
    3 Posts


    This makes me so full of rage.  How can you tell us users of WP 7.5 that the only way to get the new WP8 feature is to BUY A NEW PHONE??!!  **This is why nobody uses your phones**, you have been demanding new phones for new versions of software for 10 years and it sucks.   Your upgrade cycle doesn't match the faustian 2 year deal that I signed with AT&T.  At least when I had an iPhone there was a 4 year shelf life to the phone, to keep getting new features and updates.  I have an HTC Titan that I just bought, in 3 months it will be EOL at WP7.8 then I assume you will give is the MSN Direct, Zune, MS Music, Media Player, Ready2Play treatment and just assume I am going to buy your next product.


  • dwp1975
    2 Posts

    Will Microsoft offer us Developers WP8 developer phones? Would be awesome and boost A LOT of interest. I like the platform I am developing for at the time to be my daily driver as a phone. It's the best way to know what the OS can do natively and can help drive UI/UX decisions for your own app.

  • FTC
    6 Posts

    ...there is a lot of uncertainity within the various blogs and forums of "WP7 legacy device" owners if their devices will get the WP7.8 update (I myself am a HTC Mozart owner) or not and this is hurting a lot the faith in Microsoft and Nokia. I strongly recommend Microsoft to let us know asap which devices will get the update and if the update will

    have additional features beside the new homescreen. Even if this eventually means bad news, it is still better than keeping guessing and speculating....

  • Very disappointed in how Microsoft is handling Windows Phone, it all seems very unprofessional and short-sighted.

    Sure, developers can always release their apps on both the old and the new marketplace, but I fear that this break means that Microsoft figure they can take their hands off the old devices and not bother releasing any more updates to them, even for features that are purely software based. Can't help but see 7.8 as a farewell-gift. One feature I was really hoping for was better integration with VOIP. Will we even get that?

    People don't buy *smartphones* for what they get at the day of purchase, they expect software updates and they expect to run any coming apps as long as their phone has the hardware to support it.

  • fluxx
    3 Posts

    The funniest thing about this is the last commercial for the Lumia 900:

    "The Smartphone Beta Test is Over"

    Could laugh about that if it wouldn't be so sad for all the Lumia owners.

    I'm sure Apple is laughing.

  • fyter
    3 Posts

    We need beautiful system like windows 8,the StartScreen can pinch for localtion region. And the StartScreen can set Background Image,like Windows 8.


  • At first I thought Nokia Lumia 900 will get WP 8. Now I've learned that actually it's not going to get WP 8. This announcement puzzles me a lot. Why promote Nokia Lumia 900 so intensively when you know it’s going to be dead? And for God’s name you’ve let Nokia develop the whole Lumia series when you knew it’s not going to receive WP 8? It makes no sense to me. It’s like you’ve started to work on WP 8 just yesterday, and you have no knowledge about the hardware currently present on the market.

    Very, very strange approach…

  • calli
    7 Posts

    Paul Thurrott might have a point in his interpretation, but i still think Microsoft is wrong. Nokia supporting the devices is different to Microsoft supporting them and the OS. What about Samsung and HTC. CM3763 is very correct when he says "There is also no way Apple would tell there Iphone 4s customers that they will not be supported anymore. Apple is sitting back laughing at Microsoft"

    Microsoft should take notice of how Apple does their upgrades and I've mentioned this previously: Software should be intelligent - upgrade everybody and make features available to current users device specific.

    You then please everybody. One upgrade.

    What do we have to do to make Microsoft understand?

    There must be something...!?.

  • wp7Dave
    36 Posts

    In the absence of Microsoft providing any feedback on this forum, Paull Thurrott has some insight on what he believes Windows Phone 7.8 means. It looks like just the start screen from what he has heard so far.

    and the details here:

  • Can we get the whats app and gtalk integrated into the messaging similar to facebook chat? would really love to see all of them together.. and you can always invite the developer who has done something similar to help with that..

  • And to think I was just about to upgrade my LG Optimus Quantum to the Nokia Lumia 900. Thank God I didn't do it! Not supporting current WP 7.5 devices is a HUGE turn off.

    100 K apps? Once again, it's not about quantity but quality. Fart sounds? Hot chick of the week? Come on! We need real and productive apps for services many users worldwide use.

    I already stopped buying applications for my phone since I really doubt getting another WP device in the future.

  • schnelk
    1 Posts

    I really hope you add the ability to change font size in text messages.  I am visually impaired and have a hard time reading my messages since the text message font is so small.   I cant enlarge view like I can with webpages, pelase fix this or add as an accessibility option!

  • Leigh
    89 Posts

    @Fred stop with the spam already. Whether a worthy cause or not, this is not the right place for it.